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Permalink Reply by Timo Ostrander on October 20, 2009 at 2:20pm

While i've only read the first and last pages of this thread, I propose that we come up with an atheist code word to probe for possible non-theistic viewpoints in someone we suspect is non-theist or simply are curious as to their position. It could be useful in those sensitive situations. Maybe not a word but a phrase or expression would be more appropriate. What do you all think?

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Permalink Reply by Chrys Stevenson on October 20, 2009 at 3:20pm

Interesting thought. I was watching a quiz show on television a couple of weeks ago (a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire clone) and the contestant was a doctor from my local area. They interviewed him up front about his interests and he said he liked to 'research comparative religions'. My ears pricked up. Was that code for 'I'm an atheist'?

Anyway, as soon as the show was over, I googled him and shot off an email saying, "I may have read this wrong, but ...." and invited him to our local atheists' group dinner. I got an email back almost immediately saying, "Not sure if I'm exactly an atheist, but would be interested in attending."

We're looking forward to meeting him next month. I can't believe my 'atheist-dar' now has me picking up guys from television quiz shows!

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Permalink Reply by Timo Ostrander on October 21, 2009 at 12:17am

Well, let us know how it goes. Be sure to ask him exactly what he believes or considers possible. Comparative religions is one of the best ways to educate oneself about how they operate.

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 27, 2009 at 7:32am

Best predictor of atheism... IQ ;-) There is a converse relationship between IQ and religiosity... ie Religiosity decreases as IQ increases and vice versa.

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Permalink Reply by Burton Rosenberger on October 27, 2009 at 9:04am

What about all the "really smart" people with high IQ's who also believe in Yahweh? I know the comment might have been tongue and cheek but I would like to see the study showing this relationship.

There was a post on IG's forums about thought being processed in the same location for math and religion so I doubt there is a relation. If it was only that easy.

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Permalink Reply by Chrys Stevenson on October 27, 2009 at 9:21am

I think the major indicator has been shown to be education level, rather than IQ, and an education in the sciences increases the chance of someone being an atheist.

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Permalink Reply by Burton Rosenberger on October 27, 2009 at 10:14am

Just read about this study very interesting findings . . . close to what you suggest but not exactly dead on.

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Among the findings:

* The odds of going to college increase for high school students who attend religious services more frequently or who view religion as more important in their lives. The researchers speculate that there may be a "nagging theory" in which fellow churchgoers encourage the students to attend college.
* Being a humanities or a social science major has a statistically significant negative effect on religiosity -- measured by either religious attendance and how important students consider the importance of religion in their lives. The impact appears to be strongest in the social sciences.
* Students in education and business show an increase in religiosity over their time at college.
* Majoring in the biological or physical sciences does not affect religious attendance of students, but majoring in the physical sciences does negatively relate to the way students view the importance of religion in their lives.
* Religious attendance is positively associated with staying in majors in the social sciences, biological sciences and business majors. For most vocational majors, the researchers found a negative relationship between religious attendance and staying in the same major. The researchers compare this finding to their data about how students who attend services are more likely to enroll in college in the first place: "In both cases, religious attendance encourages a shift toward a higher status path."


http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/07/28/majors

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 27, 2009 at 11:51am

Here is a graph showing correlational evidence showing the relationship between IQ and religiosity by country:

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm

According to a study by Paul Bell, published in the Mensa Magazine in 2002, there is an inverse correlation* between religiosity and intelligence. Analyzing 43 studies carried out since 1927, Bell found that all but four reported such a connection, and he concluded that "the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'beliefs' of any kind."[1] A survey published in Nature in 1998 confirms that belief in a personal God or afterlife is at an all time low among the members of the National Academy of Science, only 7.0% of which believed in a personal God as compared to more than 85% of the US general population.[2]"[w]

I think you are right though, that there are plenty of high IQ religious folks.

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 27, 2009 at 11:56am

Well, it is just a correlation, a relationship. You can't infer causation, and you certainly couldn't generalize that relationship to everyone.

My guess is that there is some specific cognitive skill that relates better than general intelligence... Maybe objective reasoning?

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 12:39pm

I work as a college professor, at a state institution, in the buckle of the Bible Belt. The Gideons show up every semester to give out bibles. Our administration begins every school year with a prayer. For my first year here, I stayed a closet atheist. But, I am now fairly outspoken on the topic. Most of my students have never even met an atheist and confuse us with Satanists!

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 1:14pm

You'd think so! The administration here really loves me and they keep promoting me... but they are universally hard core Christians. This is SUCH a homogenous community. Non-Baptists are rare as hens teeth.

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 1:23pm

Man, I hope so. I get a real skewed perception of humanity down here!

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