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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 14, 2011 at 4:19pm

I'm 99.999% sure that Yahweh doesn't exist, nor any other abrahamic or other deity people have in their heads exists. why? Because he hasn't come back to tell of his deeds. The deeds ascribed to him, were things that didn't happen because of some agency.

 

Other than that, I'm 100% sure that the universe and her laws exist. So Einstein's God is real.

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Permalink Reply by Car T on February 14, 2011 at 5:53pm

There might be a "God" or higher power but if there is, then it's nothing like the one described in the Bible or other man-made religions.

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 16, 2011 at 4:03am

The problem I have in saying that there might be a "God" or "higher power" is that the terms are incredibly vague. It becomes like saying "a mythological creature might exist out there".

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Permalink Reply by Car T on February 16, 2011 at 3:18pm

And that's how I like to keep it, personally - vague...and it's nothing our minds could even comprehend anyway if it did exist.  I have no interest in making an organisation or institution of what could be out there and make it into some club.  I'd be just as happy if no higher power was out there.  (I do believe in ghosts though, if that says anything.)

 

Anyway, what I AM sure about is that there isn't some motherly/fatherly power out there who rewards the good, punishes the bad and protects people.  In other words, s*** happens and I find that more easy to accept than believing in a God who allows children to be born without a chance and takes them away within an hour of life "because he has a role for them in heaven".  What utter...

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 17, 2011 at 6:45am

The federal government is a higher power, higher than the state powers. Just saying. Its just too vague to actually describe something, so its not possible to say whether you believe in it or not when you get that vague.

 

You're right, a supreme being above our universe and would be beyond our comprehension, but that would mean we couldn't believe in it anyway, as we couldn't know if its existence. Therefore, anything we know of, just can't be it.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Wheaton on February 16, 2011 at 6:52pm

I am 99% sure there is no God.

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Permalink Reply by leveni on February 16, 2011 at 8:41pm

God 100% exists or God 100% doesn't exist. Pick one. 

I choose God 100% doesn't exist. And I'm 100% sure of it.

 

As for scientific proof of gods existence or non-existence:.

I say keep atheism and religion out of science.

I also say keep religion and atheism out of politics.

 

But using a scientific approach to determine good policy in regards to infrastructure, education etc, it's the only way.

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Permalink Reply by Car T on February 16, 2011 at 8:47pm

Good for you if you think God 100% exists or 100% doesn't exist.  I don't want to pick one and I don't have to.  I came to this forum to discuss my own philosophy of life because I hate how organised religion urges you to follow a set of rules agreed upon by some self-proclaimed authority who doesn't know anymore than I do.  I'd appreciate if no one laid out a set of conditions for me to agree or not agree with.  If you expect me to, then I guess this is not the type of message board or community for me.

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Permalink Reply by leveni on February 16, 2011 at 9:28pm

I am interested in your philosophy of life and am looking forward to reading about it.

I'm not imposing the 100% statement on anybody, it's what my final conclusion about gods existence comes down to. Either he exists or he doesn't exist. But I am more than willing to listen to a 3rd alternative.

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 21, 2011 at 11:45am

I say 99% because absolute certainty doesn't exist.

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Permalink Reply by Park Bierbower on February 21, 2011 at 3:48pm

Playing devil's advocate, can we be absolutely certain that absolute certainty doesn't exist?

Is our certainty really limited in that fashion?  Can we not be absolutely certain that gravity will be in effect tomorrow morning?  If it weren't, it wouldn't matter much that we were wrong~ the universe as we know it would not be here.  Certain things, surely, can be assigned absolute certainty, for if those who were certain are wrong, we won't be here to know.  

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 22, 2011 at 7:38am

No, but I'm 99.999 % certain that absolutely certainty doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure gravity will be in effect tomorrow, to about 99.999%. Can we be absolutely certain that gravity will be in effect tomorrow morning? I'm 99.999% sure it will. But what if there is some unknown law of physics that will coincidently make gravity cease to affect us between now and then? We don't know of such, but it could exist.

 

I'd say near absolute certainty, because ultimately we're trusting our senses to be giving us correct information not just about the universe, but what the tools we use to decode it are saying about it.  I don't want to derail too much. But its more a philosophical position, because in practice, I act as if I'm absolutely certain.

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