I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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The problem I have in saying that there might be a "God" or "higher power" is that the terms are incredibly vague. It becomes like saying "a mythological creature might exist out there".

And that's how I like to keep it, personally - vague...and it's nothing our minds could even comprehend anyway if it did exist.  I have no interest in making an organisation or institution of what could be out there and make it into some club.  I'd be just as happy if no higher power was out there.  (I do believe in ghosts though, if that says anything.)

 

Anyway, what I AM sure about is that there isn't some motherly/fatherly power out there who rewards the good, punishes the bad and protects people.  In other words, s*** happens and I find that more easy to accept than believing in a God who allows children to be born without a chance and takes them away within an hour of life "because he has a role for them in heaven".  What utter...

The federal government is a higher power, higher than the state powers. Just saying. Its just too vague to actually describe something, so its not possible to say whether you believe in it or not when you get that vague.

 

You're right, a supreme being above our universe and would be beyond our comprehension, but that would mean we couldn't believe in it anyway, as we couldn't know if its existence. Therefore, anything we know of, just can't be it.

I am 99% sure there is no God.

God 100% exists or God 100% doesn't exist. Pick one. 

I choose God 100% doesn't exist. And I'm 100% sure of it.

 

As for scientific proof of gods existence or non-existence:.

I say keep atheism and religion out of science.

I also say keep religion and atheism out of politics.

 

But using a scientific approach to determine good policy in regards to infrastructure, education etc, it's the only way.

Good for you if you think God 100% exists or 100% doesn't exist.  I don't want to pick one and I don't have to.  I came to this forum to discuss my own philosophy of life because I hate how organised religion urges you to follow a set of rules agreed upon by some self-proclaimed authority who doesn't know anymore than I do.  I'd appreciate if no one laid out a set of conditions for me to agree or not agree with.  If you expect me to, then I guess this is not the type of message board or community for me.

I am interested in your philosophy of life and am looking forward to reading about it.

I'm not imposing the 100% statement on anybody, it's what my final conclusion about gods existence comes down to. Either he exists or he doesn't exist. But I am more than willing to listen to a 3rd alternative.

I say 99% because absolute certainty doesn't exist.

Playing devil's advocate, can we be absolutely certain that absolute certainty doesn't exist?

Is our certainty really limited in that fashion?  Can we not be absolutely certain that gravity will be in effect tomorrow morning?  If it weren't, it wouldn't matter much that we were wrong~ the universe as we know it would not be here.  Certain things, surely, can be assigned absolute certainty, for if those who were certain are wrong, we won't be here to know.  

 

 

 

No, but I'm 99.999 % certain that absolutely certainty doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure gravity will be in effect tomorrow, to about 99.999%. Can we be absolutely certain that gravity will be in effect tomorrow morning? I'm 99.999% sure it will. But what if there is some unknown law of physics that will coincidently make gravity cease to affect us between now and then? We don't know of such, but it could exist.

 

I'd say near absolute certainty, because ultimately we're trusting our senses to be giving us correct information not just about the universe, but what the tools we use to decode it are saying about it.  I don't want to derail too much. But its more a philosophical position, because in practice, I act as if I'm absolutely certain.

Can we be absolutely certain that gravity will be in effect tomorrow morning? I'm 99.999% sure it will. But what if there is some unknown law of physics that will coincidently make gravity cease to affect us between now and then?

 

then we would be wrong. : )

 

For practical applications, I don't subscribe to absolute certainty.  It is, in and of itself, a logical contradiction~ but for less practical applications, I will use it.  After thinking about it in depth, I would say that, on a personal level, I am absolutely certain that a Personal God doesn't exist.  If I were in a debate, I would not hold that position as a matter of strategy; but outside of that, due to the lack of any corresponding evidence, the inherent contradictions, and the nature of the "god" in question (that it would care if I believe or not, thus giving it reason to inform me of its existence) I am absolutely certain that it does not exist.  I have no need for the one one-thousandth of a percent to be proscribed to the notion~ if I do find one day that the god does exist, I'll merely admit defeat and move on.  Aside from that, I am 100% certain of that particular god's nonexistence.

 

[btw I would like to add, after rereading the original post, I do see evidence against God.  Considering its definition, and the statements made about its intent, the failure of it to adequately operate in a way that would be conducive to achieving its intentions, creates a situation in which it inherently defies its stated definition.  That, to me, is evidence against its existence.] [edited for content and grammar]

I say 99.9999% because its the closest you can get to 100% certainty, as I pretty much feel 100% certain, but I know that knowledgewise its impossible, and wouldn't hold such a position when discussing a matter. So I think we're in agreement here.

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