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Permalink Reply by Dean Loring on March 28, 2012 at 10:44pm

The view I hold takes it's proof from the logical reasoning I stated above. I was offering that discussion as proof. Logic is not merely generalization. Anyway, what was I generalizing? I thought I was quite specific.

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Permalink Reply by Edward J. McDougall, Sr. on March 28, 2012 at 9:35am

This is not and has not been a issue with me. There is no god, never has been a god (except those created in the minds of ignorant people) and never will a god be proven to exist or have existed. So, there you have it, straight from the mouth of the person that was born an atheist.

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Permalink Reply by John Burtonclay on March 28, 2012 at 12:11pm

My response to your question is I am 100% certain there is no God. I think the whole concept is just too far fetched. I would usually require some sort of tangible evidence before deciding whether something is true or not, but in this case, there is none and there never will be as is the case with all fairy stories. I think that you and the others who are leaving a minute chance that it might be true are still leaving it open just in case. Still a fence sitter until you get real and go for 100%.  I promise you absolutely that you will not be struck by lightning. If you are, then I'd be happy to pay for your funeral. Just look back through history at all the Gods that have come and gone, and they were feared. Even made sacrifices to appease them. Where are they now?

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Permalink Reply by David Philip Norris on March 28, 2012 at 2:28pm

The lack of evidence makes this an insoluble question. It's just as likely that there is a god as there isn't, which is as much to say that it's a pointless question. If a deity really wanted to make its presence known to the human race, it would've chosen a better way than to talk to a bunch of illiterate, xenophobic shepherds in the Ancient Near East who wrote down all their experiences hundreds of years after the fact. I'm not 100% certain there is no god, but that doesn't change the fact that it's far-fetched, so I choose to live my life as if we are alone in the universe, which the evidence suggests that we are.

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Permalink Reply by James Yount on March 28, 2012 at 7:24pm

amen

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Permalink Reply by MCT on March 28, 2012 at 7:56pm

There is no evidence of a god, because evidence of a god is impossible. There is enough evidence of the validity of the law of identity, however, to know that things that are contradictory, metaphorical, undefined or supernatural cannot manifest. I concede that things we do not now know about can exist, but nothing worthy of the name god. Unwillingness to state this plainly shows an inappropriate adherence to skepticism, which contradicts itself as an absolute.

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Permalink Reply by MCT on March 28, 2012 at 8:00pm

Arguing, as an atheist, that you know that god is possible is kind of funny. And erroneous.

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Permalink Reply by James Yount on March 28, 2012 at 8:06pm

It is conceited to believe that you know for a certainty that there is no godlike entity when as a human being you cannot possibly understand the universe fully. Atheism, in its own way, is just a much a faith as any religion, because in essence its followers have to believe in something without proof.

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Permalink Reply by Paul Bernard Kussmann on March 28, 2012 at 9:17pm

What proof of God existance are we missing????

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Permalink Reply by James Yount on March 28, 2012 at 10:12pm

There is none. But there isn't any proving that a god, in one form or another, doesn't exist either. That's the gist of it. That's why I think that agnosticism is the superior thought process because it doesn't claim to believe in anything that it can't prove. Maybe, it's just my 'show me state' attitude coming through though. ;)

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Permalink Reply by James Yount on March 28, 2012 at 11:16pm

No, but I don't exclude the possibility of there being something out there. I certainly don't believe in any faith system that exists right now. I try live my life as if there is someone watching me just for moral purposes. But I can't believe in anything that I can't prove.

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Permalink Reply by James Yount on March 28, 2012 at 11:48pm

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable.^[1][2] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively. In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a deity exists but do not claim it as personal knowledge).

Maybe agnostic atheist is more accurate then.

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