MCT: "It's not only that I have to pay for roads I don't use, but I have to pay for other people's 'share' of the cost, whether I drive on them or not."
Joan: Do you live in an apartment, home, or some dwelling that is vulnerable to fire? Do you pay taxes for firefighters to drive to your dwelling to put it out? Do firefighters put their safety and lives at risk for your benefit?
I use well less than 1% of the roads in this country. Any roads used by cars, trucks or buses that transports products I buy, or that are used in services I use, come out of the cost of the product and service, stressing I do not use those roads.
Private enterprise can finance fire departments or put them under local governments that are financed through fee for service, paid citizenship or voluntary taxation. Financing a fire fighting department would easily be something any community would be interested in doing for their rational individual self-interest.
Fire fighters are fire fighters for their own sake, not mine. And I only owe them the cost of their services.
Compassion is rational and self-interested, not sacrificial.
I must be missing something here, there is no Reply so am replying to my comment.
You wrote, "Private enterprise can finance fire departments or put them under local governments that are financed through fee for service, paid citizenship or voluntary taxation. Financing a fire fighting department would easily be something any community would be interested in doing for their rational individual self-interest."
Have you ever been part of a volunteer fire department and understand how they get their funding?
Do you think private enterprise can finance a fire department ... what do the fire fighters do when a business or house is on fire and they haven't paid into the fire fighting costs? What they do here in the State of Washington is stand and watch the business or house go down and they save the ones who have paid into the fund.
MCT: You wrote, "Fire fighters are fire fighters for their own sake, not mine. And I only owe them the cost of their services."
Joan: Do you have any idea how much it would cost you if you were billed for a fire at your home or business? Could you pay for the fire trucks, fighters, water if it has to be hauled?
Firefighters work out of enlightened self-interest.
Many countries have socialist principles for the basics: housing, health care, education, eldercare; then free enterprise or laissez-faire enterprise for consumer goods.
It would certainly be cost effective to pay someone to stop all of your possessions from burning to the ground. And if it wouldn't be, you should let it burn. Enlightened self-interest could nothing more than rational self-interest. There is no logistic problem we need government for, other than protection of our rights.
why couldn't a private enterprise protect our rights as well?
Well, it can't be private, because everyone will be subject to its law.
I think a government can be financed through multiple peaceful means.
What incentive would private enterprise have to protect, let alone respect, anybody's rights, unless compelled to do so by enforcement of law?
Jason, I like your statement. Business runs on incentives; compassion has no place, it seems, in enterprise. The answer, seems to me, is as you suggest, enforcement of law.
People born with some kind of mental or physical handicap may not be able to be self-responsible. Who is to take care of that person? Do tax payers have an obligation to assist with care and treatment? I think so. Enlightened self interest says we can't turn our handicapped out on the streets.
OH! We've done that already.
You do have one of the worst medical systems in the world at the moment in relation to equality not individual outcomes ( I recognise individual outcomes are quit good
), As you have indie knowledge could you possibly suggest how that would change without socialising medicine. This an actual question not a political statement as from your background ou may have some insight.
I still think that good people will do good things no matter what the system.....