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I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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I do however think you have a very well thought out position in relation to politics. I will keep an eye on your threads.

Hey Vegan,

How are things?

 We have moved this part of the debate to 

http://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/libertarianism-and-socialism

could you repost there please

I just read a report by Dr Coyne, of the pushback he receives by school kids when he talks to them about evolution. He wrote, "Some of the high-school biology students are reading Why Evolution is True, and I gave a presentation on the evidence for evolution—with a tiny bit about why religion prevents Americans from accepting evolution ... The problem with America and evolution is not the lack of instruction ... The problem is religion.  Until America becomes less religious, we have no hope of educating people about the wonders of evolution."

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/dr-coyne-gets-re...

OK, it is time I get off the fence and state that evolution is true and there is no reason to think otherwise.  USA has terrible records in math and science and huge problems to solve; anything that pulls students away from  superstition is necessary if we are to solve the real problems confronting us.  When I left the door ajar it was not because a supernatural energy might become known, I thought science would reveal more of its unknowns and we could understand how everything began. That information, if it does come, will not come through religion but through science and technology.  

At the same time I say this, an individual needs to find internal, moral, ethical, and principled reasoning on which to live.  That is doable.  

Joan,

You may be interested to know that the orthodoxy of Darwin's version of evolution is in question. In a recent article from sciencedaily.com scientists have obtained evidence that Lamarck's version of the inheritability of acquired characteristics is true in part.

I am curious to see whether creationists use the discovery to undermine evolution and bolster their propaganda.

Unfortunately....I am sure they will...here comes duckasaurus 2.0

I don't know if the Creationists claim the beginning was 6,000; 6,000,000; or 6,000,000,000; years ago and it really doesn't matter.  With all the ways dating of fossils occur and with very strong confidence in the technology, we really do not have to wonder if evolution is valid.

There are so many Crockaduck ties at atheists meetings photos I was beginning to think they traded ties, until two people wore them in the same photo.

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Glen, yes, I read that and Creationists are so eager to cast doubt on reason, any reason, and people looking for justifications for belief in god, so eager to find justifications, is why I changed my stand.  Watching Feynman videos this morning I ran across these little pieces:

Feynman Chaser - The Likelihood of Flying Saucers

http://youtu.be/wLaRXYai19A

Richard Feynman on God

http://youtu.be/YltEym9H0x4

As I wrote before, the problem is religion.  Until USA becomes less religious, we have no hope of educating people about the wonders of evolution. 

I cant say I am a 100% sure there is no god, but I can be almost 100% sure whatever one someone is trying to cram down my throat is not real.  Hell, I cant say there aren't any faeries or anal probing aliens, but I dont waste time making plans around them either.

So far what science have found out, it throws all gods under the bus!! We don't need a proof of a creator, or a creators creator, a creator of a creator, a man made creator, universe made G0D and on and on!!  Whats the point of this argument, anyone can create something by putting or transforming an existing thing, object, atoms, and so on, that was here in the first place!!   As every thing was here and only was transformed, evolved, or recycled, in a recycling process of the universe, of exploding stars, and evolving to something else, as we people evolve though leaning and evolving out of man made superstitious indoctrination of dogma of ruling creating GODS for tools for wealth, control, and glory of self righteous, as I got a G$D watching over my back, and I'm going to heaven and you are not, you are a sinner and you are not going to a afterlife!!! the more you give the more you live after life, and G$D don't have to pay any taxes!!!          F--k them the delusional theist!!!...................joe  

I am not 100% sure, but as you do because I feel there is no proof as of now i am in the 99% range

I am absolutely confident there is no god and went through a long process to come to that conclusion.  One reason I held out for so long was that I had worked in the civil rights movement of the 1960s and knew the strength and comfort blacks experienced in their churches.  I am sure some of them would have been lost had they not an anchor on which to secure themselves.  

Recently, as the Christian Right has gained more power and influence in politics and public education, I had to get off the fence. Creationism and Intelligent Design were coming into school science departments of my area and of course other communities have had law suits to keep them out.  I have no difficulty if Creationism and ID are in the history department or social studies, but not in any sciences.  We have lost too many kids to poor science education and our nation shows its effect.  Smart kids go into finance ... that is where all the money is ... and far too many who could learn science are not choosing that field.  Europe and Asia produce engineers and research scientists at a faster rate than USA.  

I was amazed to learn, according to the California Academy of Sciences, only 59% of U.S. adults know humans and dinosaurs did not coexist.  

Madison Burnett

It would be good if you can clear that bit of doubt. When you expect proof, remember that there need not be a positive proof for the existance of an imaginary thing. In fact, this is also the problem of theists. They also can not give a scientificaly sustainable proof of existance of god. For all you know, the 99.9% proof you have could be enough for a 100% disbelief in god.

MADHUKAR KULKARNI.

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