Would it be too demanding from the US citizens here on A|N, at least those who post in non-localized groups, to avoid starting discussions on general topics, and then write things like our government, our Nation, our country, our Constitution, our education system, or our Health and Welfare, without even mentioning they're writing from an US of A perspective first? At first it may be amusing, after a while it becomes boring and offensive. As if US citizens weren't aware there's a world beyond their borders (a common gripe towards Americans).

It's OK to behave like that in the American Atheists or Texas Heathens groups, I think it's not in, eg, the ORIGINS group or the main forum. I'm well aware that most of its members are from the USA, but isn't A|N an international community?

Pardon the rant, but I've been around for only a few months, and I've seen this happen at least half a dozen times already. I thought it had to be reported.

Thanks for your attention and consideration.

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As mentioned several times above, it is simply a matter of upbringing and habit. In addition, it's simply a stereotype or generalization. There are 325M of us and we have a just a bit of diversity, you know? Plus, it's hardly a trait unique to Americans; visit a Premiere League football site for examples of another nationality being a bit...insular.

I don't see it as something to for which to apologize but just an idea to keep in mind. Realize that the topic and the audience could be subject to confusion if you are not specific about the nation.
I don't appreciate your snide remarks because we don't follow all the little politically correct nuances you Europeans, Australians and New Zealanders apparently love so much.

We don't ask for politically correctness, we don't want apologies, we only beg for a little bit of courtesy.

What about this: when I joined A|N, I perused the older discussions for a while. One of them was about, if memory serves, evolution, but it digressed onto Middle-Eastern politics. Someone jumped in to comment, and wrote something like "our government's policies". Now, in this context, a look at his profile image and name suggested that this guy could very well have posted from Egypt, Lebanon or a similar place, and that's what I assumed first. Except under this assumption, this part of his comment didn't make any sense at all. To understand his point of view, I had to check his profile and realized he was an US citizen.

Do you think this behavior is perfectly acceptable? I don't. I can understand and even forgive this leniency when it happens, but choosing to turn a blind eye on this issue would be nothing less than arrogant.
(that includes the US citizens who are bending over backwards to be so urbane)

Like I said back on the second day of this post:

Many Americans think the earth's axis runs right through Kansas. Some think it runs right through their asses.
Wasn't Axis of Anal a porn version of W's 2002 State of the Union speech?

Folks, I don't think this is a matter of political correctness or even etiquette. I think it's just confusing when people don't define their terms. If you say things like, "Well, our constitution says such and such," without specifying which country you're talking about, it can lead to head-scratching and unnecessary visits to a person's profile (which may not prove illuminating). If you want people to understand you easily, it pays to be a little more specific in a global forum such as this. The point of writing is to be understood. It's the author's job to make that happen.

And as a US-American (specificity added because I care about my Canadian and Mexican readers), I think it's perfectly legit to point out when my fellow US-Americans are being arrogant ignoramuses. In fact, I believe it is my patriotic duty to object when I see my country doing something wrong, or its citizens supporting something bad or just being assholes. After all, if I want to complain about bad people and policies in other countries, I have to be fair and complain about the same in my country. Double standards are not OK.
As usual, you are the hammer that hits the nail on it's head.
The flag icon is a good idea. It would add a reference point, a dash of color, and a little fun to the proceedings.
it's all about accurate communication

Exactly. My apologies for not making that clear enough in my original post. I didn't mean to offend or express disdain. Blame the language barrier for that.
We don't ask for politically correctness, we don't want apologies, we only beg for a little bit of courtesy.

Perhaps not, but there is no tolerance to Americans and their foibles from Europeans and Australians in general - only a demand that we tolerate you.

I was raised overseas during the Cold War - at a time when Americans were also pretty well hated but no one wanted the protections of the US military to leave Western Europe. My philosophy was that I was a package deal - you get my missiles and you get me and thousands like me. I remember traveling with my family one summer and being turned away from campgrounds because they were for the Swiss only or the French only or the Spanish only.

That made quite an impact on a child whose father was leading military operations to stop the Soviets should they launch an attack on Germany.

There is not a country on this planet that is not guilty of protectionism and jingoism. There is not a country anywhere that doesn't have some measure of nationalism, whether it be political, religious or sports related. America's nationalism is more visible because America is more visible economically, socially and militarily.

If England was handing out hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid every year, was fighting a war with noble goals but questionable execution and housed Hollywood, I suspect it would be in much the same position as the US is today.

It is trendy to disparage the United States but it is as trendy to go see the latest Hollywood blockbuster.

America is a young country - rough, violent and somewhat self centered. All in all it kind of reminds me of the Crusades.
Americans ethnocentric, NOUS?

I offer this video as proof of how open-minded and sophisticated Americans are.
As much as a Canadian I'd love to jump on the gripe about America bandwagon... we here on AN do have to face a rather stern fact that the US has more intolerance toward Atheism than most other countries.

Their fundamentalism is so engrained into their society, that Atheists literally receive death threats when in the public limelight.

Something we here in Canada don't often see.

So yeah, they're boisterous, yeah, they're ignorant... but they also have to deal with living in an almost 3rd world nation while having the population numbers of a 1st world nation.

Managing to hear anything at all from fellow Atheists in that nation is nothing short of really freaking lucky... they're two steps short of locking their borders down and silencing anything shy of flag waving Jesus freaks.
Sigh. Ok....be careful when you hop onto the bandwagon....don't twist anything.
oh really... I'm so sorry about that, but you must understand why we Americans are like that. Where are you from?

I think a big reason why Americans are so closed minded is because we are sooooooooooooooo far away from everyone else. We get plenty of immigrants from other countries, but the country is so big that a lot of us don't encounter them on a daily basis. We are so used to being around people who have lived here for at least 10 years.

European countries are so much smaller and clustered together that I'm sure that if you live there you are constantly exposed to other cultures. We tend to get so "American minded" in our isolation that we forget about how other governments are run (indeed, I was never taught any system of government except American, English, Nazi, outdated monarchies, and the gist of communism. We don't extensively study other cultures) America is TRULY home of the brainwashed. The intelligent are still victims of it.


I'd just like to apologize on our behalf, but technically it is not our fault... we were taught to be highly patriotic and it is hard to get out of the sheep mindset no matter how hard we try.

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