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Is Atheism a chiefly liberal or conservative philosophy?

I know this may seem like a bit of an odd question but I’ve been wondering about it for the past few days and for some reason I can’t escape the feeling that it (atheism) would be a rather ‘conservative’ point of view (that is, at least in title), and yet I’m constantly being called a liberal because of my social and political leanings. I'm just wondering what your views are on this.

 

PS: I’ll be gone for a few days but I will catch up with this thread when I return.

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I have empathy for people who suffer, compassion for other humans, pity for your ignorance.......I am just educated and smart enough to know that the mob institutionalizing violence makes things worse. We should stop all nonretaliatory violence.
As a matter of fact, not, asshole. I was a left-leaner long before my son was diagnosed, you ignorant fuck. And you inherited your business, and undoubtedly your philosophy as well, so you are not a successful businessman, though maybe your daddy was. You are in a cocoon, and no matter how smart you think you are, there's a lot of very smart people here who say differently (and precious few willing to support you, I wonder why that is?). And you wouldn't know morality if it punched you in the face (which someone should). And what about people who were financially secure before the economy fell apart and they lost their jobs? Did you figure that in to your calculations?
It matters not when you became a bleeding heart liberal. It is still your responsibility to take care of yourself. My thoughts are my own. Stock markets wouldn't crash if there was separation of economy and state. And it is not anyone responsibility to cover another's losses. Yes, I figured that into my calculations. Now you're only upset. That cocoon metaphor is completely invalid, as I have explained I have a lot of experience in many different arenas, especially as they relate to this discussion.
Capitalist markets have sneaky, built in, cyclical depressions.  This is a known fact, and why almost all economies try to build in restrictions to limit bubbles, which have occurred quite often overhear, because of unrestricted growth.  Look it up.
I've looked it up. Corruption with government subsidies is responsible, not free trade. Free trade has not existed anytime near any bubble. Throughout history it is governmental intervention that has caused the financial crises.

Well, since everyone is out for themselves, then I am entitled to do whatever needs to be done to secure myself and my family? That is the moral law, right? And that leads us back to might makes right again, and another tight little circle with you that you won't comprehend.

 

And the markets crashed precisely because of the deregulation of the markets, but I'm sure you will revise history to tailor-make it to suit your own beliefs.

 

And one can be cocooned in a system. Park's point is a good one. You are woking within the most prosperous nation ever.

Might does not make right. You guys are repeatedly ignoring my central point and that is no one has the moral right to take from another by force.
I just remembered that virtually every so-called "right" we have has been fought for by the left and opposed by the right. Racial equality, gender equality, sexual-orientation equality, religious freedoms, etc. have all come from left-wingers fighting against those in power and wresting self-determination from the hands of those who would withhold it from them in the name of moral superiority. What has the right ever given us but racial discord, misogyny, bigotry, antagonism, class warfare, homophobia, and religious intolerance?

No, you missed it Wanderer~ those aren't rights~  they are entitlements.  The only 'rights' michael is talking about is to be alive, and to say "this is mine, not yours!"

 

 

Suspiciously selective, huh?

It's the natural state of man, everyone out for themselves, and man's life will be "nasty, brutish, and short". When we live in the anarchy MT espouses, he'll be one of the first to find out the hard way.

Its interesting that over the last two days NPR's ATC (might have well just typed it out: All Things Considered) was doing a story covering the "psychopath" test that prisons are using, often to the end result of keeping prisoners locked up longer because no one will sign off on their release if they are deemed a "psychopath" by this test.  The principles of the test do describe the libertarian philosophy to a 'T', and I think it was interesting that the developer of the test (who is worried that it is being used incorrectly in some cases) brought up that environment plays a huge part in whether someone offends.  The libertarian philosophy could very easily be used to justify committing a crime against others in a 'desperate' situation~ "I gotta look out for myself first, and survival for me is number one"~ That philosophy, coupled with a desperate or impoverished environment (likely to be the result of de-regulation and a 'free' market) is often what leads to violent crimes, and in this case, the offending individuals being locked up indefinitely.

 

tl;dr  Michael, if you were poor, you'd likely be in prison for a long time lol

  [JohnD's libertarian zombies]

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Oh thank you Park, this speaks right to my point. Exactly where I was going with this. How is a philosophy which abdicates all responsibility to others when you have power but refuses to empower you when you don't work? It means that when you have power, you are further empowered by the protections it offers you against those without from having any claim on anything you may have, justly or ill-gotten. But if you have nothing, and you are down on your luck and desperate, you are SOL. But I would argue instead, Park, that the philosophy MT is espousing specifically says it is immoral to use any force whatsoever, apparently evenb legal force, to take that which belongs to another. I.e., you can't even resort to violence, you must simply lay down and take it up the ass. This goes against even man's most basic nature, and a philosophy which does that asks the impossible. Of course, if you are rich, this philosophy works out great - noone can touch your shit, even in the most desparate situations, and you are free to become as fabulously wealthy as you can with no restrictions or limitations placed upon how rich or powerful you may wish to become, relative to others or in absolute terms.

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