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Permalink Reply by booklover on July 25, 2011 at 9:05am

Also i dont know why people try to convince others of their believes now that is a better question./p>

I think because they need everyone else to believe what they believe, because that confirms that it's true in their mind.

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Permalink Reply by mojo5501 on July 22, 2011 at 5:14pm

Thanks for sharing that post.  It is important to revisit the distinctions between atheism and humanism, realizing that they overlap many times.  I especially liked the way the author admitted that he calls himself an atheist now (formally he called himself a humanist) as a kind of 'pushback' to show people that atheists are not to be feared or marginalized simply because they don't believe in god(s).   We're just as much a part of the social and cultural fabric as believers.  I have to admit that I have used the term 'secular humanist' just to keep from using the term 'atheist' sometimes!! But I will try to stop 'covering up' by using a fancier term. ha  'Atheist' is short and sweet and gets to the point.  The more people hear it, maybe it won't be so stigmatized and misunderstood.

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Permalink Reply by JVLtrailman on July 24, 2011 at 11:19am

Just a thought after signing on new here and not having the courtesy to read all the earlier posts.

 

In the matter of what would happen if belief in god(s) somehow went away: We'd get along just fine.  Civilized societies are a phenomenon of cultural and biological evolution. Importantly included in these tandem evolutions is the "golden rule." The golden rule was not invented by christianity. It was not invented at all. It is a natural phenomenon.  If this were not the case, our species would have died-out long before god or gods were invented -especially the bible gods.

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Permalink Reply by mojo5501 on July 24, 2011 at 12:45pm

I hope you are right!

 

The 'true believers' are the ones to watch out for, however.  These are the people that identify so strongly with their religious label that they are not 'reasonable' about other people's beliefs/non-beliefs.  There is very little tolerance for 'outsiders' and this is common behavior in our species (xenophobia), as well.

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Permalink Reply by JVLtrailman on July 24, 2011 at 3:55pm

I guess it's possible that if "true believers" continued to exist that they could be of the Amish kind. The kind who would live under the belief that they've managed to shut themselves away from the world of the ne'er do wells, and didn't resent us enough to violently attack.

 

I think that a large part of the belief in god is a perverse form of the belief in good. Though the words "god" and "good" do not have a common derivation, the most positive interpretation of belief I can come up with is that believers just don't understand that good exists independent of god or the belief in god.

 

Good exists because  it feels ....well... good, and it helps us get along with one another. Bad exists because evolution isn't perfect. Belief in god has failed to transcend this imperfection. Though, sometimes, despite it all, I'm almost willing to see the good in Den.

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Permalink Reply by Patrick Niblock on July 24, 2011 at 11:37pm

I rather like the fact that i'm the product of random evolution. No baggage or deities in the way. The only thing I might worry about other than nothingness after death is the fact the universe is 13 billion years old and humans have only been here for ~3 million years. Some older race could have evolved into a godlike beings and thought "Every dead person should join my awesome afterlife". Unless its like Valhalla or some such place, i'm not interested. Then again not ceasing to exist after death would be nice. I'm a very curious person and a whole universe to explore would be nice. Sign me up for immortality!

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Permalink Reply by JVLtrailman on July 25, 2011 at 8:46am

I like being a process of evolution too. It's a lot more interesting than that other explanation.

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Permalink Reply by Patrick Niblock on July 25, 2011 at 10:23pm

That it is it makes since!

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Permalink Reply by God of Nonsense on August 6, 2011 at 5:38am

atheism will never be enough, as  long as there are ppl who seek solace from the harsh realities of life, and others willing to profit from man's inherent frailty.

 

THE GREAT GOD OF NONSENSE HAS SPOKEN!

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Permalink Reply by Jennifer W on August 6, 2011 at 5:36pm

People will find a new way to divide each other with racism, elitism, classes, and other mischievous stupidity.

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Permalink Reply by mojo5501 on August 7, 2011 at 1:10pm

So true, so true.

I am currently reading about the history of the Puritans that came to the Massachusetts Bay area to colonize the area for British King Charles I and how they weren't of the same stripe as the Pilgrims that settled as Separatists. I have to admit that I always lumped those groups together: Puritans, Quakers, Pilgrims.  It's interesting to read up on the history of the separation of Church and State.

 

The second wave of Protestants were divided from the first wave because they supported the Church of England as their 'mother-figure' and the economy of Britain as their 'father-figure'...at least for a few years until the Boston Tea Party...etc etc.... so even the people leaving England in the 1600's to find freedom from religious persecution were finding ways to divide loyalties and splinter off.   It wasn't all nicey, nicey in the founding of our so-called "Christian Nation", that's for sure!  And I won't even START bringing up the way Christians treated native populations because the Bible completely supported their ideology of 'building a city on the hill' to glorify their god, no matter who was already living on that HILL!  Sometimes it really does come down to property values unfortunately.  It's economic decision-making hiding underneath.

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