"Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
This passage from the bible sounds pretty clear to me, though some argue it's true meaning.
How can one be gay and Christian and still maintain a healthy and guilt free sex life?
There are not as many mentions, condemnation or otherwise, in the bible as many evangelicals would like us to believe, but it's still pretty clear to me that the bible condems it. I personaly could not care less what the bible says on anything, but this seems to be a major deal with most people who at least, give some credence to bible morality.
Since I am using my real name, plus my picture, it may be unwise for me to show a full deck with regard to my sexual orientation, so lets just say I am on the side of the gay folks :)
I am guessing there are a number of gay atheist members here who may be less bashful than I to comment, but I am intersted in knowing if most gay people are, by necessity, atheist, and how they struggled in life having both socially unacceptable stigmas.
Does anyone want to share their thoughts?
I think it is a little easier now since the catholic church has become more devided between liberal and conservitive.
It's no wonder most gays, who actually attend church regularly (most I know, do not) are in fact catholic.
I have never met, say, a southern babtist gay person ;)
But it still defies logic to me that ANY gay person would have any interest in religion at all.
Indeed, this alone should be good enough reason for them to be atheist, and avoid religion.
Again, I think it gets down to more "cherry picking" the true meaning of the bible and the interprations of just what these few anti-homosexual bible passages actualy mean.
One of the wonderful things about the bible is that we can interprate it in many ways and feel completly justified in our conclusions.
If you Google "what the bible says about homosexuality" you will find several interpratations of the verse in my first post.
If a catholic high priest says gay is okay, then that is all a gay person needs to hear (argument from authority).
I can also not understand the logic of the christian (some, not all) belief that the gay life style somehow threatens the very fabric of civilization without explaining why this should be so.
It certainly does not say anything like that in the bible. But it most certainly says sexual acts between two men or woman is a sin. Premarital hetrosexual sex is also a sin, but you get married, then it's not sinful if the love making produces children.
There is no such option for gays.
National Geographic made a wonderful documetary on Homosexuality in animals, it can be seen by clicking this link:
You will never see this program on American television because no sponser would touch it with a ten foot pole due to the inevatible backlash fron the christian right.
So, Americans stay in the dark about these things.
Homosexuality is not unique to the human species.
If someone is gay and religious, they either hate themselves, or they compartmentalize, or they belong to a non-fundamentalist group that plays up the "god is love" theme without paying attention to the bible.
I've met all three on the gay support forum I visit.
i know a gay man who says his god made him this way.
He is even a southern babtist and a high school teacher. Very conserative and loves Rush Limbough.*rolls eyes*
I would think most homosexual Christians would say that it is no worse a sin than many of the other sins that are explicitly condemned in the Old Testament, but still engaged in by self-proclaimed Christians.
In chapter 18 of Leviticus, it says that lying with another man as with a woman is an abomination. However, the same chapter also says talks about not having sex with women who are menstruating, not having sex with your neighbor's wife, not engaging in beastiality, etc. It then goes on to say "You shall keep my statutes and ordinances and do none of these abominations" (Lev. 18-26). Seems to me that it is calling all of these things abominations, not just homosexuality.
Another issue is that the Bible never explicitly says that two women engaging in sex is wrong. It is always a man lying with another man, never a woman lying with another woman.