So - I was reading the news and saw this. Thought I should post it here and get some opinions on it.
By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN) – Fox News pundit Dana Perino said she's "tired" of atheists attempting to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, adding, "if these people really don't like it, they don't have to live here."
The co-host of Fox's "The Five" was referring to a suit brought by the American Humanist Association in Massachusetts, where the state's Supreme Judicial Court heard a challenge to the pledge on Wednesday.
The group's executive director, Roy Speckhardt, called the suit "the first challenge of its kind," but Perino begged to differ.
Perino, who was White House press secretary for George W. Bush from 2007-2009, said she recalled working at the Justice Department in 2001 "and a lawsuit like this came through."
The former Bush spokeswoman added that "before the day had finished the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping ‘under God’ in the pledge."
"If these people don't like it, they don't have to live here," Perino added.
David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, called Perino's comments "bigotry."
"I, for one, am tired of those Christians, like Ms. Perino, who think that equality is somehow un-American," Silverman said. "If Ms. Perino doesn't like being only equal, it is she who will have to leave America to some other country that doesn't value religious liberty."
In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with atheist Michael Newdow who argued that the words "under God" in the pledge amounted to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. The Supreme Court overturned that ruling.
Congress added the words "under God" in 1954 amid the red scare over the Soviet Union. In November 2002, after the Newdow ruling, Congress passed a law reaffirming "under God" in the pledge.
Greg Gutfeld, another co-host on "The Five," continued the discussion after Perino, saying the Pledge of Allegiance "is not a prayer, it's a patriotic exercise. In a sense, it's basically saying: Thanks for giving us the freedom to be an atheist."
The Massachusetts case, which was brought by an unidentified family of a student at a school in suburban Boston, will be argued on the premise that the pledge violates the Equal Rights Amendment of the Massachusetts Constitution.
It is the first such case to be tried on the state level: All previous attempts have been argued in federal court on the grounds that "under God" was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state.
This whole line of thinking is the product of ignorance, of not knowing (or not wanting to know) the history of the Pledge of Allegiance or how it has evolved, particularly regarding the change that happened in 1954, brought about under pressure from the Knights of Columbus.
Personally, I'm as tired of this entire argument as every other US atheist out there is. Sadly, so long as idiocy and ignorance hold the day, this fight will go on.
The pledge and the money. 9 out of 10 folks don't even know the truth. Ah, 1954. Jefferson and Adams would be flogged today...Shameful. Not a single politician could win election today if he or she ran on a platform with the wisdom of Jefferson. Pity.
knights of columbus .... yet again the influence of the vatican in our secular government.
"Under God," "In God we Trust," what does that mean? Our nation was founded on the principle of separation of religion and government for a very good reason. First, which god are they claiming? Second, A Christian god is the entanglement Founding Fathers and Mothers sought to prevent. Third, many citizens then and now do not find evidence of any existence of god.
Do we really want to bring any religion into our principles of government? Just look around the world and observe all the killing, destruction, tyranny, and domination that occurs in the name of religions. With so many examples of lunacy exhibited by believers of some god, it is really hard to keep from laughing ... or crying. Religion exists to raise up hatemongers. Whether intruding on mothers and fathers when seeking sound medical care, or same sex couples wanting to celebrate their love and provide love and care for children, or judging people because of their race or class or gender, believers too often become that which they hate.
USA is stronger because of the atheists who live, work, and participate in our civil life.
"....they don't have to live here." Yes we do! I don't have the money to move to an atheist-friendly country, or I would seriously consider it.
What she probably means is "Just go eat worms and die."
I can't do that. I'm vegetarian. Maybe I can eat vegeburgers and die.
I just read "Atheist don't have to live here"from The Coffee Shack and a few comments.
Please feel free to comment or criticize. Thanks !!
Sigh. I feel like it's a losing-battle with the Dumbs.
"America -- Love It Or Leave It"! That bumper sticker is the tired old right-wing trope that goes back in my memory to the McCarthy pogroms. It's of the same ilk as "Nigger, if you don't like it here go back to Africa".
Ms. Perino: My family was in these Blue Ridge Mountains thousands of years before that Palestinian preacher ran afoul of Roman law in Jerusalem. Do you suggest that followers of your particular belief system have so dominated the culture here that you and only yours are the only 'real' Americans? You may have a point. You did, after all, kill off almost all of us. I have no doubt that you and those who think as you do would like to finish the job.
Damned. Well. Said.
"Yes, we all finally got to Hebben. All 26 of us. The black section is just off there to the right."
BTW, how do you like your Jebus?