Doesn't anyone here love their country??? Sure some of our leaders have made horrible decisions and yes some terrible things have been done in America's name....At the end of the day most people would rather live here than anywhere else....If your town is ever attacked by a terrorist organization,hopefully never, most of you will demand that the very people you are vilifying protect you....Lets face the truth, it can get pretty ugly out there in the real world....Who do you want to protect your freedoms when they are in peril....The answer is the good ole USA....All I am saying is that we have a system of government that has worked reasonably well for the last 240 years, if any one of us is dissatisfied with our leaders we do have the power of our vote to make changes in leadership. If enough Americans agree, it would be easy to throw the bums out......The last thing we want is to put America in harms way by giving national security secrets to our enemies......
Isn't it possible that Snowden did what he did BECAUSE he loves his country? There's a colossal lie out there (fueled by the same sort of fanatics who spew out religious nonsense) that liberals "hate" America. No one would say that if you criticize your children, that means you hate them, but people say that all the time about your country.
Bertold......I respect your opinion but we are a nation of laws....If a citizen breaks the law, by taking what is not his/hers , he/she must face justice....If we allow someone like Edward Snowden to take secure information using a security clearance granted to him after swearing to uphold our laws, then how can we maintain a civil society......Even if what he was doing was noble and had only good intentions, that does not excuse his actions.....If he discovered that his superiors were breaking the law, all he had to do is expose them....We are not a Communist or Fascist state....I doubt he would have been persecuted.......I do agree that Fox news is completely biased against liberals.....but in this case the law is the law....
I get what you’re saying here Freethinker, and I don’t think anyone would dispute the fact that Snowden faced a true dilemma. Ultimately I guess this goes to the question whether civil disobedience is ever justified. I would never presume to make a definitive judgment as to whether he was “right” or “wrong” in his actions in any ultimate sense. My devil’s advocate self wants to remind you that if a bunch of people hadn’t broken the law in 1776, we wouldn’t be here debating this. However I’m a Libra, thus I firmly believe in justice, and I’m cursed with the compulsion to see both sides of every question. So I can’t disagree with your contention that a deliberate violation of clearly laid out rules calls for some kind of consequences (“retribution” sounding a bit too religious).
We are “a nation of laws” on an abstract level, but that’s not always perfectly realized in the concrete world. I would love to believe that “all he had to do was expose them,” but no matter how hard I try, I can’t convince myself that he would have had the slightest chance of success taking this path, and I’m sure this consideration played into his calculus for making the decision. He may not have been persecuted, but he sure as hell would have been stifled. Were I in his shoes, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have had the courage to do what he did. And he did sacrifice the perks of a pretty snazzy lifestyle, not unlikely for the rest of his life. Maybe that’s punishment enough?
Well said Bertold, thank you for responding....I guess we will have to let justice take its course.
Maybe some day people will be running around mindlessly chanting "Edward Snowden died for your sins."
PLEASE!!!!!!! We don't want yet another deity begetting another religion......UGGH!!!
Oh no! I hope people like Peter Boghossian teaches enough of us to bring the tools of professional philosophers to people in a way that millions of us are out there stopping the spread of religious virus. Maybe our nation and the Earth will come back into balance.
"...If he discovered that his superiors were breaking the law, all he had to do is expose them.'"
That is what he did. His "superiors" just happened to be the U. S. Government - NSA.
Yes he did Barbara, but the method he used was way over the top....If something good can come from all this, then maybe justice will have been served....
Freethinker31, how would you have done it?