Hey Keia, I just want to follow this conversation, studying this issue. I differ on a few points from the vast majority of Atheists out there. I have gay friends, it does not change how i feel about them at all, I support equality and rights. I just do not see why we need to put our service people into a hostile work environment. I am also against Gay Marriage, though I do support Civil Unions. I am against Gay adoption of foster children. Why do we need to bring innocent minors below the age of 18 into the problem, why should we have to roll model homosexuality for them. I have no problem with people being gay. I draw the line when it starts affecting other people's rights. I know that I am not the only Atheist out there with these views, but it troubles me how I am one of the few.
I saw Don't Ask Don't Tell as a kinds of transition from banning gays in the military to acceptance. Other countries have gays that openly serve in the military and our solders are every bit as professional as they are and most will be able to handle it. Many already knew gays they were serving with before DADT was lifted so little will change, it will just be more out in the open.
Joseph Mitchell, although I disagree with your views on this I'm glad you're speaking your mind. I'm also in the minority in the Atheist community as a conservative and pro-life Atheist.
Hi there Andrew, it was very refreshing to hear from you the other day, although the notification did not show up right, I accidentally discovered it. I was not able to learn much from your profile today. I have heard of the Pro Life Atheist and sometimes enjoy reading about them. I am not real-real conservative, not real-real pro-life, but I am very glad to know there are some of those out there. As usual I wind up falling in the middle or becoming independant sometimes when both sides have plusses and minuses. Well, it was very good to hear your comment the other day. Have a good night.
Wow Joseph, "roll model homosexuality for them", and "I draw the line when it starts affecting other people's rights"? Seriously? How are homosexuals not as good roll-models as heterosexuals? It's the people, not their sexual-orientation who make good roll-models. And how does being homosexual affect anyone else's rights? It sounds to me like you ARE a homophobe.
Everyone should have the same rights, what the hell does their sexuality have to do with it?!!!!!
"I support equality and rights" and "I am also against Gay Marriage though I do support Civil Unions". There is a serious disconnect between those two statements isn't there? Either you believe that there should be no discrimination or you don't.
You also say "Why do we need to bring innocent minors below the age of 18 into the problem, why should we have to roll model homosexuality for them" So homosexuality is a problem now is it? Why wouldn't a loving committed gay or lesbian couple be as good a role model as a hetero couple?
Sorry mate.. these aren't atheist or non atheist views you are talking about but just bigoted ones in my book.
Obama I was pretty sure already did away with Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Gays can now openly serve in the military, which is awesome.
To Atheists that are against gay marriage and open homosexuality in the military, and gay adoption, because you 'don't think kids under 18 should be dragged into it'. . . you are teaching them that gays are not equal. You're dragging them into it when a kid asks 'Emily's daddies love each other but they say they can't be married like you and mommy, why not?' and you have to explain to them it's because people don't think they're equal. Kids do not think twice about this kind of stuff if you get it over with when they're young. "Why does Emily have two daddies?", "Because her daddies love each other and love her." - "Oh, can I have some popcorn?"
Seriously. Kids are TAUGHT bigotry and intolerance, they do not inherently look at other people, even gays, as not equal. Love is love. Teach your kids that love is love and this isn't an issue.
Gay parents have shown themselves to be every bit as capable, and sometimes more, than straight families - especially dysfunctional ones. You're against gay adoption because you, what? Want to leave more kids sitting in adoption centers waiting for a loving family to take them when there are thousands of gay couples ready to give them a loving home? Sorry, screw you.
I Love your last paragraph Ava! Spot-on! ~Melinda