Atheist Nexus

The World’s Largest Coalition of Nontheists and Nontheist Communities!

This is a bit sketchy, but I thought science was the best place, because it's a real question, not a theoretical or moral issue...

I was once in a discussion here on A|N on abortion. Although I was agreeing with the choice of the issue, I mentioned that from what I saw, more women regretted abortion than regretted parenthood. (I wasn't trying to inflame the issue, but the all-or-nothing argument was a little threatening. In what was perhaps my own naive little way, I was still trying to protect the best interests of women.) The response I got was something to the extent of that "mythical" connection that a mother has to a child as she holds it ... does not exist. This was a long time ago, so forgive me if the story is off but it got me thinking.

From all that I've heard, this "baby connection" is sometimes entirely true. (This is based almost purely off of what I hear from parents, more particularly mothers, which is possibly the best and worst source of information on the subject.) Other times, a mother feels nothing, or even resentment-- but that is usually caused by postpartum depression and such issues, or that has been my understanding. Even though it sounds like some magical, bullshit type of phenomenon, from the "evolutionary perspective" (which I am at times, loathe to take), it makes complete sense. Babies are work. You've gotta love them. It's crucial to their survival.

Of course, we live in a time when most babies, theoretically, can be planned out or prevented if unwanted. Therefore, just as theoretically, when a woman is expecting, she's planned it and is excited, and loves the baby before he/she is even conceived. Could this account for the baby connection? Is it completely voluntary, and does it even exist?

Plenty of women, not planning to have a child, have aborted and don't look back. A baby was NOT in their best interest. The sane part of my sex does not feel guilty for using birth control. A baby is not in our interest. However, were I to get pregnant, I don't think I could help myself from naturally adoring my child (although postpartum has been seen in my family). Would this reaction, if real, be something caused by hormonal changes, evolutionary strategies, societal ideas, or would it be completely voluntary? Is it something else entirely, and have I missed the mark and should I go pick up a science textbook before shaming the human race with my offspring? (Well, screw you, sir.)

Is it purely because they're so very cute? Because I don't buy it. There are some pretty ugly babies out there. (And their mothers are apparently delusional, or in denial of this.)

Share your thoughts. I wanna hear 'em. Unless they're awful. In which case, please don't share.

Someday we'll find it... the baby connection. The lovers, the dreamers, and meeeee...




Tags: BabyLove, babies, baby, calling, connection, doctor, for, love, the

Views: 10

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

I've had first hand experience with momma goose - they can bite the shit out of you and they are fast as hell.
Haha. This is totally off topic, but it was kind of funny I think. I was hiking around a little lake and spotted a Swan on its nest. I then noticed a medium sized dog rushing toward the nesting swan. I yelled to my brother something like "Bro - Holy shit... this swan is gonna rip the shit outta this fricken dog!" It was only then that I noticed the 10 year old girl and her parents. Oops! I try not to swear too much in public. Anyway... at least the girl grabbed her dog and put him on a leash. I think I saved that dog from having a really bad day! Swans will totally kick ass!
Jim I think you're spot on! We Mammals don't the need to produce 100 offspring because we've developed hormonal triggers that urge us to protect and care for our young. (Sometimes it seems like it might take less energy to just have a hundred babies)

In one of my pre-nursing anatomy and physiology classes we learned about Oxytocin.
My professor called it the "cuddle hormone."
It's made and controlled in the brain by the Hypothalamus and stored in the Pituitary gland. Oxytocin stimulants a mother's uterus to contract when it's time to deliver the baby. You may have heard of women receiving the drug Pitocin to induce labor. This is a synthetic form of Oxytocin. It also acts as a hormonal trigger for milk ejection, promotes sex drive and. . .drum roll please. . .plays a major role in the expression of maternal behavior.
There have been a lot of experiments with rats and sheep that manipulate Oxytocin or its receptors. Blocking the hormone causes these animals to reject their babies. Increasing the levels of Oxytocin in virgin females causes them to nuzzle, coddle and nurture other mother's babies.

Some of my friends think that I'm minimizing the personal experience of love when I talk about the physiology that governs it. I don't think that knowing how a roller coast works or how it was made diminishes the thrill of the ride. There is more beauty, poetry and elegance within the human body than any love story I've read.
I agree, evolution has forged a complex symphony of chemistry and physiology that allows us to find some satisfaction in or lives and gives us, at least, the illusion of purpose.
It's a wonder we don't have synthesized oxytocin running rampant on the street the way we do drugs that affect dopamine or norepinephrine. >.> Instead, we just eat chocolate, which also releases small doses of oxytocin, same as sex.
Sex releases a lot more than a small dose of oxytocin!!!!
I am still ProChoice intellectually but I am ProLife emotionally

Same here.
I find the article very confusing, and I'm not on the same wavelength as any of the people mentioned.
And very individual too how strong woman and also men reacts.

I totally agree! Reactions vary very much between individuals.
With abortion, though, there is a closure. Had she kept the pregnancy and chosen to give it up for adoption, odds are it would have been worse for her emotionally. >.> And a lot of the guilt does come from the religious doctrines affecting our culture.
I liked the article. Maybe it's the same as guys getting weird about periods? The one guy's reaction reminded me of how people respond to hearing that someone you know died; they make assumptions about how you feel. The "people feel trauma after having abortions" cliche is so widespread. And part of the reason people do feel trauma is b/c they are told that they will! I don't get offended if someone means well but they are off-base. More bothersome is people who tell you that they are OK with something but then when that something actually comes up, they aren't so OK with it.

RSS

Support Nexus

Click to Buy Amazon items and help A|N

Advertisements

Heathen's Guide

Skeptic Money

Sex and God

Humanistic Judaism

Your Ad Here

Helpful Items

 

Search Atheist Nexus:
Translate page:

 

Social Networking Links:
 

Latest Activity

George Gordner III posted videos
3 minutes ago
Davey Lee replied to Steph S.'s discussion Morally Depraved because I came out Atheist
9 minutes ago
Davey Lee replied to J J's discussion Why Hasn't Naturalism Gained Momentum? in the group Naturalism
12 minutes ago
Jessica replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
13 minutes ago
Sentient Biped replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Tomato recommendations in the group Godless in the garden
15 minutes ago
Greg DeMott commented on Greg DeMott's blog post I don't fit in
16 minutes ago
Tammy S replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
17 minutes ago
Sentient Biped replied to Joan Denoo's discussion The secret to the immortality of McDonald’s food in the group Politics, Economics, and Religion
17 minutes ago
Jessica replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
20 minutes ago
Joan Denoo liked Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
21 minutes ago
Tammy S commented on moJoe's group Atheist News
23 minutes ago
Joan Denoo commented on moJoe's group Atheist News
23 minutes ago
Kelsey Jo Lewis commented on golnaz's group Feminist Atheists
24 minutes ago
Tammy S replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
25 minutes ago
Ruth Anthony-Gardner replied to Evil For All Time's discussion Greyhounds: The Coolest Commercial On This Planet in the group Atheist News
25 minutes ago
Sentient Biped replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Tomato recommendations in the group Godless in the garden
28 minutes ago
Jessica replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
29 minutes ago
Susan Stanko commented on moJoe's group Atheist News
34 minutes ago
Don Weller replied to Stephanie Chiller's discussion nothing can come out of nothing- creation story discussion and how a person couldn't of just came to be and came as a adult
40 minutes ago
Tammy S replied to Jessica's discussion ACLU encourages and succeeds in getting a NC School Board to Ban prayer at all Upcoming Events!
42 minutes ago

© 2012   Atheist Nexus. All rights reserved. Admin: Brother Richard.

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service