Do you think religion should be abolished?If yes why , if no why not?

I think that religion didn't cause anything good but only start wars, create gilt , hold science back , repressing women's rights, repress sexual subjects , promotes violence racism sectrianism backwardness discrimination ignorance , violates human rights , opression of homosexuals , bigotry , hatred , extremism , terrorism . But sometimes it helps people cope with their problems. I want to hear your opinions and arguments. Plus excuse my English since it's a second language. 

PS : I meant abolish not by forcing but using logic and reason.

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Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat on November 13, 2012 at 10:33pm

While I would prefer that there was no religion in the world ... I do not think anyone should force anyone else out of a religion... try to control what people think, and I think that is wrong to do.

Agreed!

I do think that there will be more "nones", maybe even as many nones as theists.

How about a world where theists are as influential as flat-earthers are now?

Permalink Reply by Alan Perlman on November 14, 2012 at 11:09am

I don't think you would find anyone on A/N who doesn't think the world would be better off without religion.  I used to think (and still do, to some extent) that the disappearance of religion would accompany economic growth,  as in W. Europe and Australia, since religion thrives in the swamp of misery and poverty.  But when the richest country in the world is also one of the most religious, we have to think seriously about whether religion will ever go away - maybe it's too deeply tied to something in the human brain.

Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on November 14, 2012 at 5:25pm

Yes, Alan, just think how much time, energy and money was spent trying to keep blacks and women under the boot of the master. All those resources could have been used to empower individuals to flourish and contribute to society. 

Permalink Reply by Alan Perlman on November 14, 2012 at 5:33pm

Joan...This is religon's hidden cost - the diversion of human energy from productive, peaceful activities and into persecutions, Crusades, and Inquisitions, and of course, the repression of women, which continues to this day.  A girl is shot for trying to get an education - I cannot fucking believe it!  Truly, humanity has too willingly and for too long thrown itslf on religion's bonfire of hatred. 

Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on November 14, 2012 at 9:08pm

When I lived in Texas, I attended several black churches because I love their music and way of chattering with the minister. I was a christian at that time but disillusionment was growing, questions kept popping up for me. 

One was why the colored church was so powerful when slave-owners used religion to quiet them and turn them into obedient, submissive slaves. Talking with blacks and reading slave narratives I learned of their attempt to find comfort and solace and strength of character in intolerable conditions. 

In Washington, DC I worked in a black community, Valley Green Housing Project, teaching teen age girls how to read. These were teenage girls. Schools were warehouses for children in Washington, DC. They were getting ready to graduate from high school and when I tested them, they did not know how to read. Their energy as they sang, danced and chanted to learn the alphabet and how to read words was an amazing experience. They were much like the young girl, Malala Yousafzai, 11 years old who became the voice for millions of Muslim girls in Pakistan and Afghanistan who wanted to attend school.

Martin Luther King was assassinated April 4, 1968, and riots grew across the nation. I was in Valley Green Housing Project on the day riots started in this neighborhood. It is a day I shall never forget. April 4-8 1968 Washington, DC on fire. 

Washington, DC burning 1968

For African-Americans, religion built bonds based on misery, helplessness and hopelessness, and created a way for them to gain strength and self-confidence. For them and through them I can recognize the power of religion. It is also through them I realize the role religion played in keeping them bound to de-facto slavery. 

Permalink Reply by James M. Martin on November 14, 2012 at 4:40pm

Perish the thought!  How might one enjoy watching these fools make asses of themselves? 

Permalink Reply by Richard Goscicki on November 15, 2012 at 11:34am

James, you must love the line by George Carlin where he says, (paraphrased) when I see some news program showing some calamity or disaster like an overcrowded tenetment bruning down, I grab me a sandwich and a beer, put my feet up on the couch and enjoy the show.  It's all entertainment. 

I do too.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Richard Goscicki on November 15, 2012 at 11:29am

Rather than abolish religion, let's bring it up to date, i.e. take it out of the Dark Ages, and develop a religion based on the revelation of science.  I believe the new religion would be very humanistic and place humans at the peak of the tree of life.  That entails stewardship and responsibility. 

In order to do so, humans have to learn to live in harmony with the Earth that gave rise to us.  In order to do that we have to stabilize population growth.

The pre-agricultural mankind is the key to our nature, I believe.  As a futurist I envisioned a baby being born in Futureworld, (my word, see Mirror Reversal “Look Inside” on Amazon) where everyone in the village awaits the new arrival with eager anticipation.  Compare that scenario to todays where unwanted babies are the cause of much suffering and misery. 

A new religion could do that for us.  A new religion based on science could make it happen. 

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Mike Hungerford on November 15, 2012 at 9:37pm
My personal definition of religion is the belief in any irrational belief system.

This would include not only superstitious dogmas, but all of the far-too-many forms of Socialism and the relatively recent extension of Gaia worship, commonly known as Environmentalism, or the "Green Movement".

It would certainly be nice if religion could be abolished, but if you think you can actually disabuse People of their comfortable irrationalities, all I can say is:

Rostsa' ruck...
Permalink Reply by juha the stupid on November 16, 2012 at 2:57pm
Why not.. culture. Abolishing religion would mean the death of cultures.. It should be eased on to humanity.
Permalink Reply by Mike Hungerford on November 16, 2012 at 4:31pm
Human Beings, if they are willing to seek out and face truth, will usually find it.

Far too many though, would rather run in terror from truth.

They, for some reason I cannot fathom, find great comfort in pathetic fairy tales and empty promises of paradise.

I can't help but attribute this to cowardice (at least partly) as well as laziness.

Fear of facing mortality, and since thinking for one's self can be difficult, allowing someone else to direct their lives, and do their thinking for for them.

Pretty crappy basis for a culture.

In fact, I wouldn't describe that as culture, because it is more akin to a hive.

Personally, I'll take the Reconnaissance and the Enlightenment as my foundations.

Let the rest of them die...
Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on November 16, 2012 at 6:38pm

It's hard to see how this would be accomplished without greatly compromising freedom and driving the practice of religion underground. If everyone had a better understanding of the role religion has played in history, it might continue to recede at a faster pace and human society would have achieved a worthwhile evolution.

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