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Permalink Reply by Cena W on April 11, 2009 at 8:58am

My observation is that religion promises togetherness but teaches separation from each other.
Religion promises salvation but delivers a lifetime of guilt. (Very nice people believing they are sinful)
I do not know of a single religion that does not degrade women and harm children.
Religion provides a very reliable way to manipulate the masses into oppression.
Religion provides a way to justify the wealth & power of the few at the expense of the many.
Religion destroys the relationship between parent and child.
Religion requires a hierarchy and justifies violence, poverty, enslavement.

I do not know of a single religion that does not insist on degrading &controlling sex and parenthood and personal relationships.

I find that it is impossible to have a close relationship with someone who is religious, the shift in thought from humanist to god(s)-goddesses creates a chasm the religious cannot cross, the religious consider a non-religious person to be not only misguided, but incomplete.

I do believe that the "what is greater than you and I is we and us." I do believe that humans advanced because we can and do cooperate, not because we compete and make war. I believe we need each other, not god-religion.


I often say the Republicans were able to get the working class of this nation to vote against their own self-interest, because they promised religious laws and prctices in civic/public organizations, and the religious found it easy to believe because believing is what they do. No questioning, no matter how dreadful the result.

Look at the world, the most religious nations are the most backward, it does not matter what the religion is.

As always when religion is a dominating theme, progress slows and sometimes halts.

Religion cannot tolerate change.

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Permalink Reply by damian on April 11, 2009 at 9:12am

This statement >> "Look at the world, the most religious nations are the most backward, it does not matter what the religion is." is so obvious, but not discussed among the xtian community. It's almost like it's off limits. I wonder how many educated atheists are in prison? I say "educated", because alot of xtians tend to think that anyone who doesn't attend church, pray, read bible, etc. is automatically an atheist by default. >>

I just found a chart (2002 study) on the prison population. Atheists were lumped in with the "unknown" category which is unfair, i think.

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Permalink Reply by William Young on May 25, 2009 at 10:30pm

Interesting, the "moral" Christians make up about 60% of the prison population.

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Permalink Reply by Michael on April 11, 2009 at 9:12am

I've just been reading about the Filipinos who got themselves beaten up and nailed to a cross last Friday.

...so I think you are right when you say: "It appears that extreme religious delusion poses some threat to the sanity of the human mind."

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Permalink Reply by Goz on April 12, 2009 at 8:02am

I agree with everyone else...In talking with them in e mails,I find I hit a brick wall at some point and their delusions come into play making it impossible to make my points understood.
What really ticks me off is when they rant at me cause i don't respect their beliefs.
Why should I?

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Permalink Reply by Rev Hellbound Alleee on April 22, 2009 at 10:16pm

I read the title of this post and I hallucinated "negative mental retardation."

It's a sign.

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Permalink Reply by Timothy W. Brown on April 25, 2009 at 5:27pm

Lol.

I was actually going to use that phrase, but I decided not to. :P

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Permalink Reply by Jezzy on April 23, 2009 at 12:06am

Even after you reject religion, you can never really seem to expel "God" from your mind.

Aside from just the past beliefs themselves tormenting you, I think the people around you can hurt, too. Like when your hysterical mother says your religious debates shed years off her life, or when you have to sell out not to lose a God-fearing friend.

This sounds cruel, but generally the more strict or Orthodox, the more socially maladjusted. It makes sense. The Bible seems to condone sexism, racism, and bigotry. It bans you from eating shellfish, walking too much on Sunday, and encourages you to stone people in the streets.

I have a hard time letting go of only one aspect of religion (besides the petty social gatherings and dresses), and that's death. It's really hard for me. What will I do when someone I love passes? They will. And religion has set me up for failure. Instead of being taught how to truly cope with loss, I've been taught to believe something that will give me false hope. And now I don't have even that, and I can't anymore. I think that's the biggest influence religion has.

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Permalink Reply by Dionysus on April 25, 2009 at 6:36pm

How far down the path to delusion do you have to be for it to be a threat to your sanity or a threat to society? Is there really a line drawn in the sand? Is it bold and clear so that we can tell one from the other? I for one have trouble making the distinction. Just looking at a prosyletizing minister and asking yourself, "could this self righteous, yapping little worm ever promote true tolerance for what he perceives to be hedonsitic miscreants?" I think not. Archaic tribal thought promotes the "us against them" mindset which is in fact very dangerous and can only end in one way; history has made this abundantly clear.

The idea that some omnipotent deity is on your side and that everyone else is wrong is in fact not just bizarre but it is an enabler. In the name of such a being you would do anything that this dictator of objective morality will tell you to do. Granted, invisible friends don't usually say much but people do "hear voices" and further to that opportunists linger everywhere waiting for an opportunity to lead the flock. This scenerio is a dismal direction for otherwise intelligent people to stumble on to.

Any doctrine that encourages faith rather than falsifiable evidence in order to distinguish truth from fiction is dangerous. It poisons thought, thwarts logic and reasoning and promotes, glorifies and gives credence to schizzophrenic babble.

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Permalink Reply by Karl on April 28, 2009 at 9:40am

Religion certainly does cause mental problems, not only in stiffling any form of curiosity about the world around them but also and more seriously in the case of a friend of mine she was hallucinating the voice of God and and having visions of spirits and angels and she did end up being detained under the mental health act which in England means you are detained in a mental hospital for 90 days for observation.
Wether she was already suffering from mental health problems before she 'found God' is a moot point, religious groups are very good at targeting the vunerable and mentally ill.

Some of the more extreme funamentalists I read about in American wouldn't last five minutes in england with being arrested and sectioned under the mental health act. ( its called sectioning because its section 4 of the mental health act which is invoked when someone is detained for reasons of their mental health)

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Permalink Reply by Lucille Nolan on April 30, 2009 at 8:04am

If an individual claims that they have a relationship with something or someone that communicates with them personally, but that no one else can see or hear (a giant pig that lives in the sky for example), nor is there any evidence that this being exists, we call such an individual insane. If an individual claims to have a personal relationship and personal communication with god (an all knowing invisible being that lives in the sky, for which we have no evidence) we call such an individual 'religious'. The former gets locked up in a mental institution, the latter wins some form of social kudos for being a righteous 'believer'.
The ritualistic habits of people with mental conditions such as severe autism, OCD, and the like are astonishingly similar to many religious rituals. It is my strong opinion that religious belief itself is a form of mental illness.

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Permalink Reply by Eric M. Hodge on April 30, 2009 at 6:56pm

I had an experience once that I'd like to share because I think illustrates your point quite clearly.

I had a long conversation with a christian theist at work. Unlike many christians I've met he was intelligent, erudite, eloquent and well-spoken. LIKE many christians I've me, he was also pretty damn good at emotional manipulation. After hours of conversing back and forth, I started to reach a point of intellectual exhaustion and emotionality that I wasn't prepared for. He said, "Listen to me: If you really believe and ask Jesus to reveal himself to you... he will." Then he left to get coffee. I felt this strange feeling all over my body. It was a combination of numbness and tension, so I called out to Jesus and asked him, almost begged him, to reveal himself to me. Then, I waited... and waited... and waited.

The music in the background and the whisper quiet hum of computer monitors only served to punctuate the silence. The tingling, emotional tension slowly went away, and I only felt ridiculous. I had, in a moment of intellectual weakness, fell back into those irrational beliefs that infected my human brain like a virus.

In "The God Delusion" Professor Dawkins talks about how and why our brains evolved the irrationality that we have. Its not our fault that we aren't (can't be really) rational all the time. That religion contributes to this irrationality goes without saying, I should think, but the important thing is that we can combat it with the same brain architecture that gives us rationality.

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