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Do you believe Jesus existed?
Apparently you can't do polls on here.... but
Do any of you think that Jesus actually existed? What do category do you fall into?
A. Believed he existed, claims are false
B. Believed he existed, claims are exaggerated
C. Don't believe he existed
D. Believe he existed, claims are true (sorry had to leave the idiot category open)
Do any of you think that Jesus actually existed? What do category do you fall into?
A. Believed he existed, claims are false
B. Believed he existed, claims are exaggerated
C. Don't believe he existed
D. Believe he existed, claims are true (sorry had to leave the idiot category open)
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Jo Jerome on -
@ Khemin: I'm with Rosemary on that much, Mykeru has now shown him/her/it self to be a troll. Dedicating a post to a U-R-ugly nonsense posting is trollspeak for not-capable-of-or-interested-in-intelligent-debate.
Personally, I love your hair. ;-) -
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Permalink Reply by Diaddy_lil_Freethinker on -
A. He PROBABLY existed the propaganda is all FALSE!
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Permalink Reply by Mykeru on -
The question is, once you strip away the "propaganda" what have you got?
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Permalink Reply by Diaddy_lil_Freethinker on
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NADA! (nothing) US!!! WE ARE ALL GODS! LOL :)
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Permalink Reply by Diaddy_lil_Freethinker on
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lol it was joke!
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Permalink Reply by Mykeru on
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Oh my, now I'm a troll.
I'm upfront about going school yard when a conversation deteriorates to the point where words like "douche-nozzle" can be deployed. Unfortunately, some people don't see the incivility of people arguing for ridiculous things provided it's dressed up in circumlocution and pompous phraseology. These are the same sort of people who are impressed with a politicians carriage provided they spout bullshit with assurance, tend not to read the fine print and eventually become enablers of nonsense themselves.
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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on -
HA HA HA!!! I'm not a Goddess... I'm SATAN!!! Bow down and worship me!! lol
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Permalink Reply by Diaddy_lil_Freethinker on
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HA! ;)
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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on
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F. He probably didn't exist - but there's no way to disprove it, and the evidence for and against his existance are both fairly weak.
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Permalink Reply by Mykeru on
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I'm sorry if I don't deal with your full post. I assume that when someone posts a laundry list of evidences for anything, they lead with their best evidence and if the first couple items aren't persuasive, it's a waste of time to "fisk" the whole thing.
You wrote:
"Of course Jesus actually existed. The historian Thomas Cahill, in "Desire of the Everlasting Hills: The World Before and After Jesus" examines the historical evidence. By closely comparing the first hand accounts in the Gospels, there is a discernible personality and a distinct moral sensibility."
You begin with an assertion and follow it up with an appeal to presumed authority which leads to this:"By closely comparing the first hand accounts in the Gospels, there is a discernible personality and a distinct moral sensibility." Yes, so what? You can say the same about a number of fictional narratives, including Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories.
"There was a recently discovered a 2,000 year-old ossuary (bone box) with his name on it in the same tomb as his brother James. Even though there are questions as to the authenticity of the inscription, everything else in the tomb tends to substantiate that there was a group of his followers (led by St. James) who considered themselves followers of Jesus but who still considered themselves Jews. There is also mention of him by Josephus, a Jewish contemporary. And, there is the recently discovered, and apparently authentic, Gospel of Judas Iscariot."
The James Ossuary is a forgery, the forger has been arrested. All it proves is there were ossuaries at the time of the supposed historical Jesus. The quote by Josephus is likely a later interpolation into a text not written contemporaneously or by any witnesses in the first place. And the Gospel of Judas is "apparently authentic"? An authentic what? Authentic Gospel? Authentically written by Judas? Or just another bit of oral tradition not written by an apostle of uncertain provenance? As the Gospel of Judas so revises the story of Jesus and Judas it worsens the problem of inter-gospel contradiction, and so much for "discernible personality and a distinct moral sensibility".
And so on and so on...
All your post proves is that bad evidence is not proof, even if you have lots of it.
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