http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116251/best-arguments-gods-exist...

here, Coyne dismantles the rare "intellectual theists" also known as theologians.  his musings are long but worth the effort, i promise.  enjoy.

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I couldn't justify to myself even taking the time to read the whole article. It seems as if the pro-god side of it is implying that the onus is on the atheist to disprove the existence of something that can't be proven to exist, which is an exercise in mind numbing futility. I'll just summarize one religious position, contrasted with a quote from the article to sum up how utterly ridiculous religious belief is:

"God is the unconditioned cause of reality – of absolutely everything that is – from the beginning to the end of time. Understood in this way, one can’t even say that God “exists” in the sense that my car or Mount Everest or electrons exist. God is what grounds the existence of every contingent thing, making it possible, sustaining it through time, unifying it, giving it actuality. God is the condition of the possibility of anything existing at all."

.......and it is very concerned about who you, personally, are having sex with.

That second paragraph is so presuppositional, it could have come from the mouth of Sye Ten Bruggencate, and I wouldn't have been surprised.  These people insist on the existence of god because They WANT That God To Exist.  Indeed, they need him to exist, because they've hung their entire lives on that proposition.  They have made themselves dependent on their god, which is most curious...

... because they are relying on something that doesn't exist.

Even Pascal's Wager is flawed. For Blaise Pascal's idea to work there would automatically have to be:

1.  A god that does exist even if you do not know of him or cannot ever know him

2.  A god that if he does exist will also agree to your wager

This entire idea of a wager was something made up from a christian mindframe not so far from modern apologetics. It's like saying "it is better to believe than not to believe because if god exists you go to heaven and do not go to hell." The christian uses this against us all the time. They are "covered" because they believe. Really? It sounds to me like most of them are lukewarm.

They need to read Revelation 3:16 where it says in effect "if you are lukewarm I will spew you out of my mouth." It would appear to me that believing "just to be on the safe side" is ruled out here. Pascal's wager wants you to believe just to be on the safe side.

Not to mention the obvious fact that in order for the wager to work in your favor, you would have to believe in every god ever conjured by man. It would suck if you spent your life pretending to be a follower of the god of Abraham, only to go spend eternity in a haunted swamp bog because you hedged your bet against believing in the three headed chamelian god that some obscure Amazonian tribe correctly pegged as the real deal.

 



I think that about says it...

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