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Permalink Reply by Idaho Spud on November 2, 2012 at 4:48pm

I like all your posts on the subject Loren.  I especially like your statement "EVERYONE is without god."  Never thought of it that way before, but it sounds right to me.

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Permalink Reply by Pat on December 21, 2011 at 6:55am

Revised A.

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Permalink Reply by Toby Ratcliffe on December 21, 2011 at 7:00am

Revised A for me.

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Permalink Reply by Sandi on December 21, 2011 at 7:52am

Revised A.

But in my mind it is the 'knowing' there is no god. I am certain of that.

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Permalink Reply by Sentient Biped on December 21, 2011 at 8:39am

I  believe in rational thinking, critical thinking, and empirical science.  Those lead me to explanation of life that does not include gods, and to explanation that humans have social, politica,l and personal agendas that make them falsely believe in and/or falsely promote belief in gods.  I don't know where that fits in the scheme of things in this question.  

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Permalink Reply by booklover on December 21, 2011 at 8:39am

Revised A.

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Permalink Reply by David Raphael on December 21, 2011 at 9:01am

Certainly not B.

And A might not be expressed correctly. The way you expressed it is ambiguous and could means that you do not believe gods (ie, when they tell you something).

I would say: 'a lack of belief in gods'...

Edit: Oh, this has already been addressed! so, it's a revised A for me too!

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Permalink Reply by Jedi Wanderer on December 21, 2011 at 9:26am

I find this question very hard to interpret. The revised A, "lack of a belief in gods" (and I prefer to use the word "deities" wherever and whenever possible), seems to mean that one does not believe in any of the deities of which one is aware. Or it means just the same thing as B, "the belief that there are no gods". I don't understand what distinction you are trying to draw here. Usually when atheists disagree as to the meaning of atheism, it revolves around whether we are agnostic atheists (we think there are no deities but we don't know for sure) or gnostic atheists (we know there are no such things as deities). You are asking if we look at our beliefs as being negative (lack of a belief) or positive (existence of a belief). This is just two sides of the exact same coin. If you lack a belief in deities, it is because you hold a positive belief in the nonexistence of deities. And vice versa. So D. all of the above.

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Permalink Reply by Jedi Wanderer on July 5, 2012 at 10:41am

After further thought, I now believe that this question is still misleading, but for different reasons. I stand by my original distinction; the revised A seems to be the agnostic atheist position that one does not believe in any of the deities of which one is aware, but leaving open the possibility that there may still be a deity of some sort, such as one who may have created the universe, while B seems to be the gnostic atheist position that there are certainly no such things as gods, at least to the degree about which we can be certain of anything. If my interpretation is correct, I am quite astounded by the number of agnostic atheists who have here responded with the revised A! I think there would be far fewer of them if this question were more clear. I therefore change my response to a resounding B and feel compelled to start my own discussion on this topic.

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Permalink Reply by dr kellie on December 21, 2011 at 11:43am

A.

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Permalink Reply by Brian Wood on January 1, 2012 at 6:46am

A

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Permalink Reply by John Aultman on January 1, 2012 at 10:12am

I am "A"

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