Atheists a Suicide Risk According to US Military

In a training and command order issued by the US Marine Corps, several risk factors were identified as likely to lead to loss of life or diminished functioning.  And guess what. "Lack or loss of spiritual faith" is listed as one of those factors, along with mental health issues, prior suicide attempts, and legal problems, to name but a few.

Fortunately, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation plans on suing the Marine Corps in what is an obvious violation of the First Amendment. Apparently, if you don't 'loves you some jesus' you are considered a threat to the integrity of the fighting unit you are assigned to.  And, in the document listing this nonsense, it states that this was one of several "scientifically" determined risk factors. I suspect the science came from the local alchemist, astrologer, or necromancer. 

Article here

And, for the actual training and command order, go here. The "Guidance and Moral Compass Issues" start on page 13..

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Why do I smell a reaction to the move for non-theist chaplains in the military?  Anyone?  Further, I'd like to see a study of suicides in the military, broken down by belief system ... or am I being too rational in wanting facts to substantiate this policy?

That sounds like a rational response to me.

I could see the process of losing faith as increasing risk for feeling lost or purposelessness.  Way back when, I felt that way.  The thing for me is, I would rather be rational and live in a world without religious "purpose", than be deluded.  Purpose comes in other ways.

This seems to somewhat go along with Matthew Greenberg's post on creationism in PA schools. Let's force religious propaganda down everyone's throat, irrespective of actual science, facts, rationality, or logic; whether in schools or the barracks. Reminds me of the oxymoron "Military Intelligence."

I've heard people whining from both sides... like this chick who bashed some Christian pastor for saying that gay people were not all that bad...  Someone turned her in and her superiors knocked her down a rank for it.  So of course Christians are whining about 'religious intolerance'...
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?p=more-featured-audio

I'd say the military is so big it doesn't really have a collective opinion about the value of religion.  They mostly just want you to shut up, get along with your fellow soldiers, and follow orders when given... one of those orders being don't post political or religious crap to facebook that can blow back on them.  Same goes for cops...

''Lack or loss of spiritual faith." would refer to a religious person who looses his/her faith in the conduct of military service. It might also refer to Atheists. The Order may be poorly drafted.

As an Officer responsible for troops I would agree that a religious person might be a risk factor in the above example but I would not interpret the Order as a reference to Atheists.

I think that what the military may be referring to, when they say "lack or loss of spiritual faith," is someone who has *just* started to realize that the doctrines of religion don't add up. He or she may feel lost because they can't turn to something that may have always given them comfort - the religion they're starting to turn their backs on - and haven't yet found all the groups and support in the atheist community. Being in a barracks, or -- even worse, on a ship in the middle of nowhere -- would tend to further isolate you. And, with how far to the right people in the military have started to become in the last few decades (i.e., 'unsympathetic' and *righteous* about it), I can see such a person not having any hope.
It's the "lack of faith," which defines us here, that I've got a major problem with. Somehow, according to their "scientific" evidence, individuals who have and are servinging honorably, like Sentient Biped and myself, are now 'suspect' for a mental disorder. F&CK THEM!!!!!

Thing is, it's a "lack" of something which their own mechanisms of evaluation deem to be essential for proper character.  We touched on this in a blog of mine some time ago, particularly where James Kz noted the wall he ran into in his military career, owing to the fact that his faith at the time was not recognized by the Navy.

The armed services may be catching up as regards GLBT people in their services, but they badly need a wake-up call as regards atheism and fitness for duty and promotion.

I think that what the military may be referring to, when they say "lack or loss of spiritual faith," is someone who has *just* started to realize that the doctrines of religion don't add up. He or she may feel lost because they can't turn to something that may have always given them comfort - the religion they're starting to turn their backs on - and haven't yet found all the groups and support in the atheist community. Being in a barracks, or -- even worse, on a ship in the middle of nowhere -- would tend to further isolate you. And, with how far to the right people in the military have started to become in the last few decades (i.e., 'unsympathetic' and *righteous* about it), I can see such a person not having any hope.
Sorry about the double post. Slow Navy computer, didn't think it had posted that first time (it sort of just 'hung' there).

Soliders Commit Suicide because they get tired of fighting pointless meaningless wars in countries Abroad that pose no Immediate threat to our country. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A LACK OF FAITH. Thats just another DUMB ASS GENERAL AT WORK , Getting paid with YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS!!!!!! ONLY IN AMERICA. LOL

it's sad that our military has become a battleground for religiosity.  i'm reminded of a story i read a few months ago about a group called "Club Beyond" who are nefariously proselytizing young soldiers.  for anyone who is interested here is the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/club-beyond-milit...

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