Atheists are a small minority in the U.S. Advocates of gun control might be a minority in America as well. In light of the recent shootings in Aurora I am curious as to how atheists in this network view the lack of gun restrictions. There are probably divergent views.
I have trouble believing that both presidential candidates are steering away from any call for reform after the horrific mass shooting. In my opinion it is insane to allow citizens access to assault weapons that can kill scores of people in a few minutes. It was even more shocking to hear on a news show that a family had to raise money to pay for the immense hospital bills for one of the victims while they were already crippled with medical bills from the mothers fight with breast cancer.
As a Canadian I came to stand with my U.S brothers for the reason rally and freedom from religion. I would be willing to come down to the capitol and march for two other important causes. Gun control and universal health care.
I don't work in a school. I work in a clinic. I deal with thousands of people, up close and personal, in a year's time.
Most interactions are fine, the vast majority, but there are times when people are very angry. Often it involves them wanting / demanding pain pills, narcotics, or addictive sedatives. In some cases, it involves a family dispute. Sometimes just mental illness. People have attempted to kill me, literally, with their bare hands. Three times in 15 years, but that's still 3 times. Each time, out of the blue. If they had guns, I would already be dead. There have been other times when the security guards were called.
The idea that I would have to face people who might be carrying a gun would scare the shit out of me. It boils down to, I would have to be "on" every second of those interactions, ready to "draw" and shoot before they get me. What are people thinking? Guns make us safe? Really?
What a bizarre and stupid concept. And teachers in a classroom. Really? Some shadowy movement at the back of the room, and a kid winds up dead, and it was nothing? Think, Trayvon Martin, but multiplied in a thousand classrooms across the country.
High schools are stewpots of raging hormones. There will be tragedies. Giving teachers the responsibility to carry guns and act, would mean many more tragedies.
Most of the schools I have been in around here have but one unlocked door. That unlocked door goes directly to the front Office. That was the first place the Sandy Hook shooter went. He killed 4-5 there including the principal. That is the only place that a gun would have been required. He approached with an AR-15. Not likely he had it concealed. If there had been 2 trained individuals in that office this would be a very different story. ANd I bet there would have been a lot of very thankful parents.
Do normal people have a possibility to snap and do something bad- Yes indeed. That is where you need redundancy. Not just one armed officer in a school..he could be the culprit himself.
Not normal people... religious males.
I too would not feel comfortable with other professors carrying guns.
In college long ago I began saying, "You wanna see emotion in action? Go to a faculty senate meeting."
I still occasionally say it.
BTW, I don't understand the fewer-guns-owned-by-law-abiding-people-will-solve-everything mantra.
When even atheists cling (and deny clinging) to the xian fable that humans are better than the descendants of pond scum, I'm not surprised that some of us cling as well to the idea that fewer guns owned by law-abiding people will solve everything.
Yes I agree. And I figured atheists to be more libertarian than leftists, but i guess i was wrong. If you want your rights stripped away every time there is a tragedy well......be my guest, we as Americans have lost more rights in the last 20 years than in the entire history of the country. And it's only getting worse. We have UNEMPLOYED VETERANS that would love to have a job protecting children.
Knee-jerk law-making was made into an interesting book called the Shock Doctrine. Knee-jerk reactions is what gave you USers (and Canadians) the ugly Patriot Act, and a whole bunch of useless self-protection regulations, and bank and insurance Cies bailouts.
Knee-jerk legislation is never as good as long term well studied legislation.
Those of us old enough to remember the golden years of care-free international travel are mourning that future international travel will be reserved for those with big enough budgets to buy doubles of needed baggage upon arriving at destination (I used to bring my bicycle to all countries I travelled to, no more, same for sports gear) and lawyers to untangle the mess of paperwork. Now our Canadian airline is increasing the seat density on planes to make more profits, which will mean that my already tightly fitting ass may no longer be able to sit comfortably in the already cramped spaces in coach, and I certainly can't afford that other section!
I’m enjoying this debate but let’s get back to the original topic: what is Atheist Reasoning on the issue of gun control. To my mind, I blame organized religion for most of the problems in the world. The notion of afterlife undermines the beauty and wonder of this life. People wouldn’t be shooting and bombing one another if they realized that this is all there is; we only go around once and we’re so lucky to be alive.
People wouldn’t be making babies like crazy either. There’s no doubt in my mind that overpopulation engenders violence. WWII is a perfect example: Japan’s 1930s invasion of Manchuria, Germany’s intrusion into the Poland and Russia both had lebensraum (living space) as a primary cause. There’re countless other examples throughout history: the Cimbri incursion into Italy, the Viking exploitation of Europe, the American manifest destiny. Overpopulation was at the root of all of it.
Consider Nigeria, a country of 80 million living in the area the size of Texas. No wonder they’re throwing bombs in churches, drafting children into rebel armies and hanging gays. I don’t think strict gun control laws would help alleviate the country’s problems. How about using oil money to reform and foster education, installing planned parenthood centers on every block in Lagos, enacting draconian anti-corruption laws to punish politicians who cause untold poverty and misery, and above all bodily throwing the Catholic cardinal out of the country and making every priest, mullah and rabbi in the country get a job like everybody else.
If my proposals work in Nigeria, they might work here as well. We have to get to the root of the problem and that’s overpopulation, hence religion.
Richard, don't you sometimes ask how intelligent the xian intelligent designer was?
For any atheists capable of critical reasoning following critical reading of graphs, we should all be able to see that shooting trends were on the decline before various states/countries passed their various anti-gun legislations, and that rates did not drop faster immediately after such legislation, and have continued to drop at globally similar levels since such legislation. Furthermore comparing countries of different cultures is pretty useless.
A more valid comparison is between Canadians kill rates and USA kill rates, which have been getting closer through the years, even though one would expect them to stay at the same difference from each other.
There is an issue which is always silenced EVERY time there a crime spree and there are crime sprees in all countries, no matter the country... it's always religious males (well nearly always). Religiosity is a mental illness, combine this with "boys will be boys" parenting techniques, and you get rampaging males killing more females and children, because men feel entitled to dominate all around them, because they're boys.
This listing provides the top 15 rampages in each category and in each country, you can go beyond each top 15 and look at each list individually. Have fun counting the females, you don't need many fingers.
If being atheist is at all relevant in this topic, it should mean being able to look at stats critically instead of listening to media fear hype. Hopefully, atheist breeders don't use the "boys will be boys" parental technique.
Speaking of guns in schools - I wrote this a couple of years ago. A brief moment of intense fear, a confessional to a wimpy response in the face of a perceived danger and how I made my daughter really paranoid.
Growing up, my parents were friends with a couple a couple of villages away. We'd visit each other on weekends. Their mom and my mom are both high anxiety, but I'm a rebellious kid by nature, so I always scoffed at my mom. But the other mom's anxiety levels were sky high. She had two daughters, the eldest has become a nut case, the second one is a stereotypically normal human being.
We can only hope that your daughter is the kind of person who has the ability to resist parental fears.
There is another aspect of this issue that needs attention: the reluctance of people to get involved in a situation where foreknowledge could prevent a tragedy. I have a specific example in mind, but it suggests the broader context.
My youngest son lost a friend in a campus shooting exactly twenty years to the day before the shooting at Sandy Hook. In this case the college knew the shooter had weapons in his dorm room against their rules, but preferred not to invade his privacy. The campus mail room knew that he had received ammunition through the mail, but did not confiscate it or notify anyone. The resident assistant in the shooter's dorm was warned by friends that the shooter was after him and that he should leave campus for the weekend. He did, but told no one in authority. The shooter positioned himself so he had a bead on the library door and killed one faculty member and one student, my son's friend.
Stricter gun laws can help to reduce violence overall, but in individual instances there are often people aware that someone is becoming dangerous and there are authorities who can act. Our laws should protect those who give advanced warning. Often people with mental problems only hurt themselves, but you don't know that in advance and speaking up can make the difference between tragedy and tragedy averted.