The word may seem childish, but I think it's appropriate. Chances are, most of us with atheist connections know at least one "poser", who seems to call themself atheist just to be edgy, contrary, and different.

This happens in theism too, and has a lot to do with how people want to identify themselves (rather than what sounds the most logical, unfortunately). For us atheists, these "fad" atheists are not helpful. They're uninformed, crude, angry, uninformed, antisocial, and uninformed.

And when you grow up in a religious area, as many of us had, people are not prepared to accept our atheism. The other day my mom informed me that I merely believed what my brothers believed because I wanted to fit in with them. The joke is on you, Mom! They still don't like me!

So it raises two questions: What is your reaction to atheist posers?
What do you do when someone thinks your beliefs cannot possibly be grounded in fact?

I once watched a self-proclaimed atheist argue on the bus. I did believe he was an atheist, but his only real argument was something about there being no horses in the Book of Mormon time/place. This basically ends with him being somewhat outcasted, his friends being firmer in their own beliefs, and likely a rocky religious/nonreligious road for this young man. I didn't say anything, perhaps I should have. I'm hoping I made up for it-- when my own friend found out about my atheism, I knew she would bring it up. Therefore, I tried to sit in a place where this kid could hear the discussion. Low and behold, she did, and we had a friendly debate which went well. I have no idea whether he was listening, but I hope so.

I'm confident in my beliefs so it doesn't worry me that much, I just do my best to prove that I'm kind, intelligent, and know what I'm talking about. What are your experiences? I'm curious to hear. Atheism is so diverse, with only one real thing in common, so you can't always tell what your relationship with another atheist is going to be. Any really bad atheists out there? Story time!! :D











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Ahh, but have you ever seen an old German family bible? They are big, and hard covered and very heavy. I have my old family bible it belonged to my great grandfather...I need both my hands to lift it.
Sorry Professor Meaniepants Grogan. I didn't look it up because really, I wasn't expecting anything to come of the word "poser". (I still don't understand why old discussions > new ones. As I said, on many forums, it's annoying and rude to bump up dead ones.)

Should I delete this, close this, or let it die?
Sorry Jezzy, it wasn't a dig. Should have prefaced it. Just an FYI, some stuff that might have interested.
Sorry. Shouldn't have gotten my zoloft in a knot...
This reminds me of my other Australian friend-- I was completely dumbfounded by the conversation we had, in which he said that although he had no real religion, he didn't like to identify with Atheists because apparently in Aus they're the majority, quite pushy and think they own the world. He made it sound like the religious origins I came from were just flipped in the favor of Atheists!

Everyone wants to be on the "right" side, but as soon as you think you've gotten there, you can make the same mistakes as your rivals...
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." - Andre Gide

Not to make some sort of quote-off, but I particularly like that thought.
Exactly so Phil. There really is no "right" side, just people who believe what they think is correct and true. I try to never slam theists or pagans for their beliefs, even though I don't agree. I used to be both after all.
That's the nature of power, "right" and "wrong" have very little to do with it, they are used to justify why those with power have it, oh and "right"/"wrong" and even "fair" more often than not are arbitrary concepts.

"Fair" to *whom*?

I'm amazed that out of all the possible choices, many atheists choose to adopt the religious dullards ethics. What exactly makes humility "good" and pushy "bad"? It's a matter of perspective, if you are a powerless nobody whose fate is having their face pressed up against their betters shoe/boot heel, humility and compassion are really good traits to advocate for, if it's you are the one pressing down on the heel? Not so much, I have to give up power for the betterment of someone I'd rather see dead.

Don't forget, it takes a lot of effort to keep that heel where it is, I don't dare let my enemy up as they are going to attempt to retaliate, but by having to constantly keep my foot on their face, I'm as much their prisoner as they are mine.
It is interesting that you point out the choice of "the religious dullards ethics." I like the phrase and I plan to keep it. I think part of it happens to be due to the time frame in which one is to decide on personal ethics during development. I have a book on Childhood Development, but I will go with my own gut instinct on this one. I would have to say that many of the religious ethics that are taught around a child and in the society of one are likely to be, for the most part, adopted by many children due to the amount of contact with them and the general agreeableness in which people receive and respond to those ethics. It might also be why for people like me, when we got old enough to realize what hypocrisy was we became angered with the general state of affairs for many people, including ourselves. Mankind loves its double standards, "Do as I say, not as I do."
I got excited. I saw the subject line and thought this was a discussion about bad vogueing.

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