Some people, believers and atheist, conduct their lives with an intent and a plan to be ethical. Others will use either atheist arguments, or religious arguments to justify an un-examined and basically selfish life. I ask, where is that "Good without god" stuff?
Be ashamed of your ancestors, …all 3.5 billion years worth.
"Some people, believers and atheist, conduct their lives with an intent and a plan to be ethical. Others will use either atheist arguments, or religious arguments to justify an un-examined and basically selfish life."
Some atheists, (like most fundie theists), take it upon themselves to be the arbiters of ethics and morality for everybody else, while using various factual and logical fallacies (like most fundie theists) to further their agenda; and when called on it, resort to playground name-calling.
I am just trying to explore the ethics, not passing judgement.
I got into a similar mogambo in another thread, which ended up with a member being banned from a group. Think I'll go back, eat my pork chop, and sit this one out.
I was going to warn you, John Major. Some here have already directed you to other sites - vegetarian/vegan or Hang with Friends. (anywhere but where you are) Don't mention this at Hang With Friends, they'll throw you out. Some here will coolly state their indifference to causing suffering. Others have already accused you of "religious fervor". It may have seemed to you that a site called Ethics & Morals would be an appropriate place to bring up this quandary. I thought that The Humane Atheist would be a place to discuss this. WRONG!! The discussion of ethics has no place in Ethics and Morals. Get thee to the Vegan Atheist site or
They will eat you for lunch.