The way you interpret scientific facts goes beyond what the scientific method sets out to prove, which is why you should be prepared to defend this perspective if someone challenged it in the future, as it will be very hard to do. However I'm not going to get into it now. There are some 'Emergentists' and secular humanists that are higher on the priorities list (if such a thing exists). For the sake of everyone's sanity, it may be better that I just crawl back under my AtheistNexus shell and return to --oh, I don't know-- real life, perhaps...
I've never had any of my profs complain of this or correct me about it, I was an easy A student, especially on thesis style evaluations. So I will look forward to your starting that discussion to see where you're coming from. Enjoy your real-life evening, I shall do the same :)
I have come to my senses. You people are all nuts. It will be a purpose driven life from here on in for this camper. No more wasted time thinking; instead, order, values, stages and sacraments all leading to an eternity of perfection in god's domain. A bit more steamy where you will be going!
I wonder if they keep up with the newest technology. Without blue ray and high def why bother? The almighty provides, I suppose. And after a few centuries no more worrying about differences in age between prospective mates. Oh but the music. Isn't there an eternal harpsichord playing? I mean I can handle five minutes of country, fifteen of klezmer, forty five of zydeco and maybe two hours of good jazz and classical. But a harpsichord that wont shut off. There better be earplugs or a sound proof room. A minor sacrifice if you ask me compared to an eternity in you know where.
Anyways enjoy your selves while you can, suckers.
I've come to look at it as every choice we make adds up to a different sum and end result. Every encounter, every lesson learned, every scientific discovery, every book we read, every meal, etc. In the end our collective purpose is just to make every possible combination of events transition from being a possibility to an actuality, and existence provides all the variables to be chosen (or not) for our equations.
How else can you explain Oreo Cookies being dunked in milk being so delicious?
I like that viewpoint A. FitzGerald - very nice.
Far more purpose than a Theist's life will ever have.
You have a free will and can make your purpose whatever you want it to be and having this purpose in itself will give your life meaning.
Even if this purpose is to simply upset religious folks and destroy their religion in order to make the world a better place.
Devout theists all only have the exact same ultimate aim and purpose, to be mindless sycophantic servants to their divine usurper.
Thus theists really don't have any individual purpose, except to be brown nosed suckers.
Your life, purpose and it's meaning have much more significance than theirs.
Aye M8! :-D-
Upsetting theists and demoralizing them and destroying their arrogant self-image seems to be the only thing I'm doing well at the moment. Guess I'd better concentrate more on my actual career.
Though demoralizing theists is fun!
Yes Steph: There is ultimately no purpose in being a sheep, a mindless servant of god. That's not a worthwhile purpose, it has no real meaning and it cannot even really be called A LIFE!
Theists essentially don't have a life of their own.
Here's an excerpt from the Orderism website that I'm bringing this year. It is specifically about purpose and meaning. Orderism agrees with the Nihilists to a point, that we were simply a happy accident. There was no direction, but there was a progression, and now that we are cognitive there CAN be a direction.
The 3 Purposes of Life
To say that there may be a purpose to life, a reason that we’re all here as if we had some job to do, is incorrect if you come from a naturalist position. Naturalist and many others would be quick to point out that “purpose & meaning” are very human constructs that only exist in our minds. Just like the issue with “good & bad”. Since we came about from natural causes, and that nature is essentially mindless, then there can be no ‘reason’ for us to be here. We just are.
Orderism accepts the fact that for the most part there was no reason or purpose for any of us humans to be here. A cosmic happening is all that is was. But Orderism does make two exceptions to this absolute notion.
The first is the idea that an ‘observer’ may be necessary for reality to exist. In the strangeness of quantum mechanics, scientist have discovered that having someone physically watch certain experiments can affect reality itself. From this, some have construed that the observer may be a very important part of reality. A sort of “if a tree falls in the wood -and there’s no one around, does it make a sound?” situation. It is a real situation however and it points to a reason for us to be here: That reason would be to observe the universe around us.
The second idea of reason and purpose is that although there may be no reason for us being here, the situation has recently changed with the arrival of our cognitive mental abilities. Yes, we were not made by anyone for any purpose, but now, now we can make our own purpose and our own reasons for being here. It’s quite wonderful really that we were nothing, and now we are something.
From our view that we humans are evolving from simple animals to something more, and from the possibility that life has an affect on reality, we draw Orderism’s 3 purposes of life.
1. The Animalistic Purpose
The first purpose is the same purpose that most every animal feels in some way. That is to breed and raise the young to survivability. We must again point out that animals do not have a ‘purpose’, only people do. Therefore we should rephrase what we mean when we say it here. Animals have an instinct and an imperative urge to reproduce and protect the young in whatever degree that suits them. The Orderists would say that if this reiteration behavior was not ingrained into the generations, the population of this animal would falter and fail. It is the reiteration and feedback of the system that allows it to flourish.
The animalistic purpose is also the lowest of the 3. It means we have the same purpose (imperative urge) that all mammals do. The same urge that a cow has. It is easy to see that some people blindly follow that urge and they claim it brings them much joy.
2. Your Big Brain Purpose
The second purpose may be the highest of the 3. Yes, we were once mere animals and now we are not. With the abilities of our new big brains came a torrent of benefits and problems all at once. Unknown that it is probably the greatest of problems was when we could finally ask ourselves “Why am I here? What should I be doing?”.
There is a big quest to find ‘the meaning of life’, and the truth is there probably isn’t just one meaning of life, and there probably isn’t any meaning to it at all. No meaning - it just is.
Some would take this as there is no meaning in anything that we do, and therefore we should be able to do whatever the hell we want to do. What can we think of a person with this perspective. A person with no boundries of conduct other than to keep themselves out of jail. It is a perfectly fine perspective for that individual, and they may even be a just person. However, others looking at this boundless person notice the lack of boundaries and his pitiable outlook.
Now comes the answer to this greatest of problems, “why am I here?”. Here it is: You are free to choose a purpose. It can be any purpose that is meaningful to you. If you follow that purpose, you will be on the path to a happy life. If your purpose is “good” and helps or affects others positively, then the meaning to your life skyrockets.
When we talk about the meaning to a life, it is not the same as purpose. The same arguments apply, meaning is human construct and not real. Purpose adds value to your life, meaning adds value to the lives around you.
3. Witness, Experience, Build the Fantastic
What’s amazing is that we are here at all. Think about it, the unimaginably huge universe could have been sitting here for all of it’s billions and billions years with nothing or no one to see it. There didn’t have to be life -or did there? Remember the talk about reality needing an observer. How true that may be, is yet to be seen, but we can draw these conclusions. Either life had to be here so that it could observe the universe, and the property of self organization has brought us here. Or we’re just that lucky that we’re here to observe the universe. Either way, we each are here for just a brief bit, and it is precious. Your job may just be to take in whatever wonders you may find both in the small scale and large. Our lifetimes may just be the flickering candlelight of the consciousness of the universe. A universe that’s trying to become aware of itself.
It's still a work in progress.
purpose #1 is the lowest of purposes and really only "counts" if you're only an animal