A true agnostic is someone who says that nothing can be known about God, whether as to his existence or his attributes. But as for me, there is not an iota of agnosticism in my atheism. I am a confirmed and convinced flat out atheist.
Anthony Jordan knows what an agnostic is.
"A true agnostic is someone who says that nothing can be known about God, whether as to his existence or his attributes."
Wait a minute. That means an agnostic can be a theist doesn't it? After all, most Christians agree that the omnipotence of god cannot be comprehended, his almighty aspect blinding to perception, his essence unknowable to mere mortals.
That’s why theists then engage faith.
By your definition of what an agnostic is, you can therefore be an agnostic Christian.
I know of no Christian who would disagree with someone who says “I can’t ‘know’ God, but I have faith in His existence and in his words”.
You still can’t be an agnostic atheist since once you reject faith in the existence of a god, the “knowability” or “unknowability” of god is irrelevant. Meaningless. Immaterial. Purposeless to even contemplate.
If you are deeply committed to agnosticism, visit the “Agnostic Nexus” website. There you can participate in the futile navel gazing of “not knowing”.
Asa, futile navel gazing?
I like my navel and enjoy the time I spend gazing at it.
About Anthony's definition, though it's close to the definition in NOAD (New Oxford American), his use of the word "true" awakens my inner skeptic.
If you’ll notice, I did not take exception to the definition. I take exception to “agnostic” being used as an adjective to describe a “type” of atheism . . . a use that I find patently absurd.
You are right, however. I should not have used the term “your definition” as if he had come up with it. I do, though, assume he embraces that definition since he cited it.
I think Anthony's is a pretty good definition of imaginary beings we refer to as "agnostics". We define a unicorn as a “horned horse, usually white”, but that doesn’t mean there are actual unicorns.
And I assume your “inner skeptic” was awakened some time ago, otherwise you probably wouldn’t be here at A/N.
And, while I am sure there is something to it, I just don’t spend a lot of time navel gazing since I learned the reason it is there.
(I’m not entirely convinced, however, that my cat has a navel.)
Asa, you stirred my "inner writer" and the other folks in my writing group will soon read of my several "inners".
Catholicism's indoctrination created an inner believer and much later an inner skeptic. The latter spoke up a few times but the former knocked him down. A remark by my mom wrecked my inner believer and, like the tiny mammals after the asteroid knocked out the dinosaurs, my inner skeptic prospered. And more....
Thanks; I'm going to have some fun at my keyboard.
Your cat's navel? Cats let us feed them and refresh their litter boxes; do they find us worthy of navel displays?
While I believe that agnosticism, agnostic theism, and agnostic atheism are real phenomena (I've met some from all three categories), I find these positions untenable. There is enough logical, philosophical, and physical evidence to unequivocally state that there is no omnibenevolent God, and anything less, if there be such a thing, is unworthy of the title of God. Maybe agnostics of all three positions are trying to hedge their bets, I don't know.
And it remains that the agnostic atheist must still have to say whether, though being agnostic about God, he nonetheless personally doesn't believe in God, in which case he would still qualify as an implicit atheist.
As for me, I'm all the way atheist. Nothing implicit in my atheism. I fall under the category of explicit atheist.
This is what I believe. When you die, what made you you, your personality, your uniqueness, your thoughts, hopes, fears, dreams, and aspirations, are no more. Your body will begin to decompose and finally dissolve into the soil and become nutrients for plants and the insects that feed on their nectar and carry their pollen to fertilize other plants, and for the animals that feed on the plants also. Then when your body reduces down to the atoms and subatomic particles that made up your body, sometime somewhere, someone will drink a cup of water that contains an atom or two from what used to be you. Someone will breathe in an atom of what used to be you. The atoms that made up your body will become one with the universe, and in that sense alone will anything be left of you. That's why what you do in this life must be made to count for something. Leave something behind for people to remember you...good memories of you, writings, blogs, good deeds of kindness, etc.
Alex, what do you aspire to know more of?
If you will tell what you believe happens after death, I will tell what I believe happens after death.
What do you find interesting?
I wouldn't mind being able to turn into the Hulk whenever I needed to. The Hulk is my favorite Superhero, always has been.