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So we all know that Atheists are considered the least patriotic clique/group in American right? I have a simple question that might just take a little thought: What do you think is the least patriotic clique, group, or general assortment of people in America? If you are from the UK or another place you can also have a say in this or post the least in your area.

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Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 2:43pm
My dear, you are simply brilliant! That is now my new project, lemme see.... should it look like and Anarchist spray paint or a non-smoking add?
Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 2:53pm
Wonderful! After I get over this networking lag and get the time I'm going to either weld two of those together or have it made for sure. I'll be sure to scribble something one it about how it was your idea too. :]
Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 3:06pm
Heh, first things first; I have to finish my dad's network at his work. Lazy bum can decode anything and code circles around me but never took the time to figure out how to set up a network.
Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 28, 2009 at 1:13pm
For anyone wanting to see what it will relatively look like.

Permalink Reply by Little Name Atheist on December 27, 2009 at 11:43am
It sort of looks like the A is walking on the flag.
Permalink Reply by Jaume on November 27, 2009 at 3:19pm
"Would you choose God over your country?"

If the answer is "Yes", you're not a patriot.

If the answer is "No", you're an atheist.
Permalink Reply by Johnny on December 27, 2009 at 1:54am
not necessarily but a good point is in there somewhere =)

how about: if "no", you have your head screwed on straight
Permalink Reply by John Grow on November 27, 2009 at 3:21pm
The whole "patriotism" mindset we see in America now seemed to start after WW1 as a response to Soviet Communism. You don't see it as much before then. You also didn't see the worship of the military until after WW2. As America lost its industrial might, it seems it fell back on its military, based on the military's rousing success in a two-front war sixty years ago, and in spite of its spotty record since. We can't build or innovate worth a damn anymore but we seem to kill and shoot real well.

As an American I find the whole flag shorthand and fetishizing of military service by those who didn't serve (or those who served but want more lip service paid to it by the rest) a little nauseating. Those that join the military do so for their own reasons. Some perhaps wanted help with school, or to learn a trade, or to glean from service the sense of personal pride and discipline that exists there. Which is all well and good and they deserve the benefits they have earned, but the culture has elevated this into a blood cult, for lack of a better term.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

All that said though, I love the idea of the flag pin with the Dawkins "A" over it. It would infuriate the American Legion to no end....
Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 4:12pm
I never thought about it that way.... it's interesting. I'll have to null that one over for a while. My view is more like the turtle's (no offense, thought it was funny).

As for the pin, I fully intend to make it. Does anyone know any sites that can be trusted to make such an item?
Permalink Reply by Tarquin St John Sh'gn'sty on November 27, 2009 at 5:23pm
"So we all know that Atheists are considered the least patriotic clique/group in American right? I have a simple question that might just take a little thought: What do you think is the least patriotic clique, group, or general assortment of people in America? If you are from the UK or another place you can also have a say in this or post the least in your area."


Not sure I understand the question.Are you being facetious, in equating 'patriotism' with that especially obnoxious form of jingoism many Americans call 'love of country'?'

In my country one's patriotism is simply assumed. People who make a big deal of their patriotism are viewed with deep suspicion.You rarely see a flag in someone's yard or on a business premise.Some wankers fly a small flag on their car on Australia Day.
Permalink Reply by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 5:31pm
No no, around here it's that the way one thinks determines how others perceive you (in this case love for country). So it is generally just assumed that is you are an Atheist you are also an Anarchist. It's truly sad.
Permalink Reply by Caleb Owens on December 8, 2009 at 7:45pm
I'd have to agree with Tarquin. Our form of patriotism in America is really jingoistic when compared with other nations. It's all a part of American Exceptionalism, the idea that whatever American does it does it the best and always for the best of reasons. This concept is shared by many on the Conservative right while at the same time they scream against any government involvement.

Personally, I think the most patriotic thing a person can do is ask questions, i.e. question authority.

I'd love one of those pins too. You might contact Atheist Alliance, since they developed the "A" pin, about putting together one with a flag on it.

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