I guess everyone knows what part Muslims have in modern European politics today. However, how is all that connected to Christianity? Let's take a few steps back in history, about 2 millennia ago when we can first trace the origin of Abrahamic religion.

As Sphaer and I have discussed earlier, it is very likely Christianity started as a revolt against the Roman Empire, which also as we know, utterly failed. Christianity never managed to give its believers more freedom. The Roman Empire later even incorporated the religion into itself instead of its previous Roman mythology akin to that of Greece, and at this point, Christianity's existence was a de facto, when the Roman emperors stated the ultimatum: believe or die. Christianity then spread further throughout the Empire and to Europe and missionaries kept doing repeated attempts to convert the pagans up north (ie Scandinavia) even though Scandinavia was out of reach for the Roman Empire rule. As we know, they got stuck with Germany and never managed to move more north and then the empire collapsed. Too bad for the Romans. However, the religion managed to survive, and no wonder a few of the most avid believers are to be found in central Europe (Poland and over Slavic countries).

After the Roman Empire fell, Europe slowly moved into what would later be known as the Dark Ages. The name is pretty literary, no one wanted to live during the Dark Ages. What people feared the most of all? The Inquisition who so kindly kept the common man in place through Christian propaganda and what happens when you defy the might of Christ. In other words, torture and death. You would afterwards be sent to Hell at Judgement Day. However, war started to tear all countries apart, and people started to loose faith in Christ, and the so called Enlightenment era began. While it was still ok to believe in a beardy man in the skies, human thought and freedom of thinking was appreciated the most. This one again backlashed with the Romanticism when you would rather live in a fantasy than in reality, something that the previous Enlightment followers had regarded highly.

Then... we pass into our modern society with liberalism oozing all throughout European politics. Now back to the initial question, what has this all to do with Islam and the Muslim invasion?

It's all repeating again. Islam is right now confined to a very specific area of the world, just like Christianity was, but now it's spreading slowly throughout Europe mostly due to Muslim immigrants. The politicians are so stuck up in their liberal values they even make rules that only work for the minority; the latest outrage was in the UK where some judge minor had come up with the very clever idea to incorporate Sharia laws into the existing British law system. Even if you've never seriously studied Sharia and Islam, it's not something we really want to have in Europe where it's fine to stone women to death and cut off the hands of thieves.

Question is what we will do to revert back this "invasion", or I am not surprised if we will move into a similarity such as the Dark Ages. In terms of liberalism, Muslim countries are all far behind. I have started to think whether to start a passive political movement, whose job is to enlighten and make people "wake up". It's not enough to just stay at home feeling frustrated and think "I don't think this is ok but there is nothing I can do". But won't this look like a Nazi movement? No, not if we are careful always stating that we don't mind immigrants, but this is getting out of control when politicans can no longer dare saying no. Getting other colored people such as myself behind it, it would be hard to accuse me as a Nazi since I am as far away from the Aryan race as it can get.

What do you think? Of course, this probably concerns Europeans a lot more than Americans.

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Ok you wrote a lot, but of course, I meant Christianity in particular, and I am making a very rough statement, when I mean Abrahamic in this context I mean not only Islam or Jew but I mean all three of them. If it's clear it is very much possible to change.

Nope, I am not from those countries, I live in Sweden and I was born in Korea and I have Korean blood in me. I very much understand what they contributed for in the past in terms of culture etc, but the issue is now, we can say that Christianity contributed a lot to culture too in such a sense, since all our Western culture is based on Christianity.

If I remember, weren't the Roman Empire in control even back then? Or at least, attempting to control. I think we looked a little further can getting away from Jewish rule and took expanded the context further. I cannot exactly remember now.

Of course, the word invasion is a strong word, but I use it with a point and of course, if I would use a more politically accepted word as immigrants, it would not cause the same semantic effect on the reader. It is supposed to be eye-catching as well as being a metaphor for what I am really trying to say which is further explained at the end of my post.

And that my friend, is the very point of it all. Christianity wasn't welcome, hence the analogy I am drawing. Still, it managed to emerge as the main religion in all pagan countries because of prosecution etc. However, while I understand culture clashes, I understand how much those pagans suffered and we are going through the very same right now, we just haven't seen the mountain top yet, unless some clever person would dare to speak up.

But you also see, my question I am thinking of, will we revert back when the Muslims will gain more political control? We have already seen that religion can very much mean to revert in terms of knowledge, as with the examples of schools who refuse to teach anything else than the creation myth as the only right explanation to the creation of earth, completely forgetting the evolution theory. It is already true that particularly public schools are becoming worse. May it be because of religion or not is another matter but in certain countries like in the US, religion is definitely one of the reasons.

I am not basing it on any absolute facts but rather collecting of what I have seen and heard during the past months about the issue in general, also after having a long discussion with a friend and this idea merely hit me, how strikingly similar the Chiristian convertion of Europe is to what is happening today with Islam.

It is a well known fact that religious people want to convert people to their religion, Muslim countries have never so far managed to seperate religion and state. However, what I am discussing most here are fundamental Muslims in particular, people who follow the Sharia word by word. Do you think that it is right to cut off the hand of a thief because he/she stole another person's belongings? Neither do I think that European women wish to wear veils.

Of course I am generalizing and making the issue far simpler than it is because I simply didn't want to go too deep with the issue. I have a tendency to loose my point when I do and my point was to draw a simple analogy between history of Europe in terms of religious conquest.

The issue is of course that European politicans are giving in to a Muslim minority which I think most people agree is wrong. While I understand they might have it tough adapting to a new culture etc it is also very rude of them expecting us to be like they want us to be in their homeculture when they obviously aren't at home anymore. When you visit another country, you must respect their laws and their culture, but the thing is, some people don't even want to adapt, some people don't want to be integrated, some people even think they should impose their laws and culture upon us, and what's worse is that politicans are giving after because they don't want to have a fight.
Yes, it's a hard to walk the edge and indeed, my question is very much which will happen if we get a Muslim rule in Europe and they will implement Shariah into our liberalist law systems. While 25% is a lot, it is also a minority. We can just take the US as an example where non-Christians (people who believe or with a lack of belief in a non-personal god) and the fact that politicians still try to speak to the Christians and not the the rest of the population is the same thing, except in this case the non-Christians are being ignored instead of giving more space than they maybe rightly should earn. I completely understand Muslims who believe their laws and culture should be implemented, but then it is also our right to inform why we don't like it instead of trying to avoid conflicts eventually giving in to their demands. I am not maybe speaking of a general rationalism, but at least where two cultures must be able to interact with each other without having to give in to each others' demands.

We westerners also quite rightly have the right to stay exactly how we are and how we like it and I guess what would be wanted is more of a common respect for each others' cultures which at least for now, Muslims fail at since they take their religion "too seriously".

I don't for example mind stores selling Halah meat, but I do mind if they must have Shariah laws into our law system. Hopefully it won't happen since Shariah in general clearly breaks the UN national rights system. Selling Halah meat doesn't hurt me and it's my choice and everyone elses to buy it or not, but a law system incorporates all. I cannot say I don't want to obey the current law system because I don't like it because it will indeed lead to punishment.
It looks like Shariah Law will be in England sooner than I thought. Cal Thomas: England's top judge bows to Sharia law, WTF?!?!
And the sickening thing is that many Muslims support this transition (Notice how I didn't say all!). However many muslims don't really know or understand what the Shariah law entales, especially the ones who are young.

This has been going on for a while now, where the government and Archbishop have suggested that Shariah law should be used in places of England dominated by muslims. The archbishop had said: "The question remains whether certain additional choices could and should be made available under the law of the UK ... it would create a helpful interaction between the courts and the practice of Muslim legal scholars."

I seriously hope it doesn't happen and many muslims I have talked to aren't very fond of the idea either and find it to be a joke.
The issue is more how we make people understand what the zealots say will not lead to any good in the long run.
To quiet down the zealots is also against free speech imo.

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