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Permalink Reply by PizzaTheHutt on December 28, 2008 at 5:02pm

They don't see the flipside of the probability If millions of universes are created every day for an infinite amount of time then the right conditions to support life is bound to happen after awhile. Its like winning the lottery. Its very unlikely to win the jackpot but it still happens.

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Permalink Reply by Park Bierbower on January 24, 2011 at 8:30pm

I AGREE WITH THIS

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Permalink Reply by Yusuf Said on February 3, 2011 at 3:01pm

When debating creationist they often pose the questions how did the universe start, what started it, and why are the conditions so perfect for life. They understand space and time in a Newtonian sense as they believe time is infinite both forwards and backwards. However, when we examine time as Einstein explains it we see that time did indeed have a beginning. It is impossible to find a time before the beginning of time as this would be like finding a point further north than the North Pole. Since time is not infinite we can say that time simply began at a certain point in this universe's existence. Hawking and other modern cosmologist show us that there are an infinite number of universes and this is simply one of them. To say that this universe is perfectly designed for life is absurd as probability dictates that at least one of the infinite number of universe must have the conditions to support life. With an infinite number of univese and an infinite number of possibilities within each universe we can quickly see that life must exist in at least one of them. We happen to live in a universe which contains our planet which is able to support life.

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Permalink Reply by SecularCortex13.x on February 4, 2011 at 10:17pm

Bring forth the vomit in my mouth. Religion is so 80's or any year before that...

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 16, 2011 at 4:20am

Actually, it was obsolete since Darwin, as it no longer explained anything.

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Permalink Reply by Lorryslorrys on February 15, 2011 at 8:44pm

Just look up the fine tuning argument, which both 1 and 2 are, and you will see they are fairly dubious
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
Is the universe fine tuned? Would that be a good argument anyway? I don't think so.

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Permalink Reply by Jim DePaulo on February 17, 2011 at 6:43pm

And we think, eat, excrete, breathe, breed and die because the magic spook up there attuned the universe and its constant values to make it so??? That is Sophistry 101 – most events can be looked at as a chain of obvious, serendipitous and improbable precursors which require no “intelligent design” - the fact that we are here is substantiated by the fact that we are here, the rest is just mental masturbation or religious brain farting.

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 23, 2011 at 8:07am

Mental masturbation is fun, and there are good reasons for it. Its part of our thinking abstract, its helped us think deeply about things that won't, wouldn't, shouldn't and or don't matter, in case of the future chance they might. It's made us a very successful species.

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Permalink Reply by Matthew S on February 16, 2011 at 4:31am

Their claims are way too fallacious and assume way too much.

 

Claim One: Why does it require a god? Why not a dragon instead? Or a fairy? What is a god and what makes him fit for the job? And why exclude the possibility of an inequal distribution of matter and antimatter, or other possible events? Why exclude the likelihood that there are an infinite number of universes, making one part in ten billion too equal out to being an infinite number of universes just like ours?

 

Claim Two: Why look at the universe in a biocentric fashion? How do we know that the universe wasn't finetuned for atomic explosions? Afterall, most matter we see either has or will go through such explosions, in a star. We have life because our universe permitted it. But again, what would make God worthy of such a task? Why not a dragon or a fairy instead?  Why throw God into the gaps?

 

And with an infinite number of universes, there are an infinite number of such universes that permit our type of life. However, its possible for other forms of life to exist in other universes with other laws and conditions. They also assume that this, in this universe, is the only possible type of life.

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Permalink Reply by Will-I Am S. on March 2, 2011 at 12:25pm

Both claims are erroneous and self-invented bs that have no data to support them. They are playing the odds game, or the game that it's too improbable for it all to have happened by "chance".. Well, It's a good thing we understand our science because they are typically science illiterates. It's the pleading for your ignorance.

If you want a good laugh on such arguments, go watch the video series "Why Do Creationists Get Laughed At?"

If you want some good insight into how our universe works, or is. I can provide a somewhat informative post here. Just let me know if you want me to do so :)

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Permalink Reply by Edward Teach on March 2, 2011 at 12:55pm

If claims one and two were refering to a closed system of opportunity, numbers like "one in a billion" sound impressive.

 

But, in a limitless system of opportunity (or even a system with unimaginablely high numbers of opportunities)... such statistics are piss in the ocean! In fact, in a limitless system, where all possible outcomes have opportunity to manifest, the odds of the universe and life manifesting are 100%.

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Permalink Reply by Will-I Am S. on March 2, 2011 at 4:59pm

And that includes the odds of you pissing in a specific ocean on a specific planet within an infinite universe ;) The ODDS are pretty damn good! It's no different than the odds of the location of our galaxy in the universe :P

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